ender4 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Not good Oh shit. I doubt NATO will respond with any sort of military response. But I’m not sure what they can say which is strong enough and that Putin won’t just completely ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Wow, this is huge. Putin is **** now. He can either order a withdrawal or NATO blow them to smithereens. I guess it will accelerate the war. Have Russia denied it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 4 hours ago, bickster said: Slight problem with this. Currently there's no way to get HIMARS units across the Dnipro and I think Ukraine maybe wary of pushing them across and getting them potentially captured, So for now, the range is the range. Very telling that they've buggered off after two days though. If Ukraine can get the HIMARS across the Dnipro safely with the ability to retreat then that is the next game changer in that direction I think Well at least I got the bit about me not being an expert right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It’s breaking news on ITV now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Article 5 doesn't mean war necessarily. Could mean moving the air defence systems closer to the border than they currently are, or Poland could start shooting down missiles heading into Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Given how this war is screwing up the rest of the G20 now they have a reason to put an end to it. I would have thought they will warn Russia to leave Ukraine by a deadline otherwise NATO will remove them, and potentially attack military targets in Russia. Put the ball in Russia’s court and make it known to the people in Russia that Putin is leading them to disaster. It might also accelerate a coup of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Follyfoot Posted November 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Genie said: Given how this war is screwing up the rest of the G20 now they have a reason to put an end to it. I would have thought they will warn Russia to leave Ukraine by a deadline otherwise NATO will remove them, and potentially attack military targets in Russia. Put the ball in Russia’s court and make it known to the people in Russia that Putin is leading them to disaster. It might also accelerate a coup of some kind. Or nuclear Armageddon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said: Article 5 doesn't mean war necessarily. Could mean moving the air defence systems closer to the border than they currently are, or Poland could start shooting down missiles heading into Ukraine. That’s probably the most likely response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2022 I don’t see how there can be no response, I also don’t see how it can be anything other than a military response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: I don’t see how there can be no response, I also don’t see how it can be anything other than a military response. Same here, they will have been itching for a reason to bring it to an end. They can’t let this opportunity pass. They will issue Putin an ultimatum I predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 15, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, bickster said: Is Russia about to lose its remaining Black Sea Fleet ships capable of firing Kalibr missiles? It's certainly a way of cutting them out. Ukraine about to overnight develop amazing subsea special forces abilities. Amazing how quick these guys can be trained up. And who know about their stealth sub technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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avfc1982am Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 I think at the very least NATO will now probably enter Ukraine purposefully and at the very least provide air control. However, this occurred, whether accidental or otherwise, they'll be some with itchy feet hoping this is the start of something bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 15, 2022 Moderator Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said: That slightly changes things 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, bickster said: That slightly changes things How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 This guy is usually right.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said: How so? Potentially Ukraine firing at it changed its trajectory. No idea if that’s the case. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said: How so? Because if the missile was shot down near the border with Poland and fragments ended up in Poland, well it's an accident. Or at least it can be spun that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Lavrov’s hope of spending the evening having few quiet beers in the hotel bar are out of the window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 It’s great timing with the G20 being together. They can make a plan but also speak directly with Xi and get him to commit to what he will or won’t do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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