Zatman Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Chindie said: It was unusual to see him not do his usual thing of veering off to discuss someone else he loves when asked about any player, ala question on Grealish, talks about Mason Mount. He couldn't get his tongue further up Toney's arse. Maybe Southgate is Toneys tipping guru and is worried about his connections Did Toney bet on a lot of 0-0 draws? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Did he ever answer the Ben White being left out question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 47 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: I love Southgate bashing as much as the next guy but I think the reason he hasn't picked Ramsey and Gibbs White are so they can play in the U21 Euros. Correct, and that seems likely to be more valuable than a bit of football against Malta or North Macedonia that won't really tell anyone anything. I don't doubt that Ramsey especially will start to get call-ups in the nearish future if he keeps performing at his current level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Talldarkandransome Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: Correct, and that seems likely to be more valuable than a bit of football against Malta or North Macedonia that won't really tell anyone anything. I don't doubt that Ramsey especially will start to get call-ups in the nearish future if he keeps performing at his current level. AND LEAVES VILLA FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 22 hours ago, TheAuthority said: I know you've become one of the only voices on VT that highlights the positives of Southgate's reign. The overwhelming majority of us are sick of him as England manager. But can you honestly make an argument that Phillips deserves to be in the squad? I know Maguire played well for England about 6 years ago but he can't even get into the starting eleven of his own team. Should he really be in there? Also i thought Southgate once said that to be picked you had to be playing regular first team Premier league football? He is a hypocrite 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, Hev said: Also i thought Southgate once said that to be picked you had to be playing regular first team Premier league football? He is a hypocrite No he bases it on experience With all those champions league appearances he's made this season of course phillips will be in there... But seriously it's a get out of jail card for him, of course his favourites who he caps every game have more international experience than anyone else, that's been England's problem for as long as I can remember and why the likes of Glenn Johnson get to 54 caps despite never being really good enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAuthority Posted May 25, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Hev said: Also i thought Southgate once said that to be picked you had to be playing regular first team Premier league football? He is a hypocrite He said that about Gresford, then picked Phillips when he was playing in the championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) Southgate is a meme for being clueless but relatively successful. He has an abundance of talent to pick from, regularly does stupid things and contradicts himself but gets out of jail because the players are so good. He’ll get away with idiotic selections like Maguire, Gallagher and Philips time and time again due to the strength elsewhere (and the weakness of the opposition). He’d be found out incredibly quickly in the Premier League. Edited May 25, 2023 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Genie said: but relatively successful. Successful how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Just now, Pinebro said: Successful how? Winning lots of games, qualifying for tournaments, Euro final… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Genie said: Winning lots of games, qualifying for tournaments, Euro final… That isn't success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pinebro said: That isn't success. I said relative success, it’s more successful than any other England manager has been for a very long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Successful? the only thing Southgate is full of, is shit. (I just wanted to say that. I know what you mean) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Genie said: I said relative success, it’s more successful than any other England manager has been for a very long time. England haven't had success since 1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Pinebro said: That isn't success. Yes it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: Yes it is. No it's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Pinebro said: No it's not. I've seen from another thread this week that your definition of success is winning everything and that anything other than that is failure. No offence, but it's a stupid definition of success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) This season has been successful for Newcastle because they qualified for the Champions League. It has been successful for Forest because they avoided relegation. England have had success under Southgate as they have competed in the latter stages of the major tournaments, which is what his mandate was. Edited May 25, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 34 minutes ago, Genie said: This season has been successful for Newcastle because they qualified for the Champions League. It has been successful for Forest because they avoided relegation. England have had success under Southgate as they have competed in the latter stages of the major tournaments, which is what his mandate was. Successful in reaching the latter stages of tournaments. Failure at actually demonstrating any ability to beat a manager/team that knows what they're doing. Failure to win anything. Successful at getting us relegated in the nations league. He's not been a success in my eyes. I think we could have won something with a better manager. He's shown he isn't a good manager in real football. He's arguably slightly better at international football, but he's still not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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