Stevo985 Posted May 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2016 Carson Yeung passed the fit and proper tests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeMcKenna Posted May 24, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Jareth said: Quick question for those most worried. If tony and his new board pass the fit and proper tests, will you let go of your disaster theories? If he passes the " fit and proper tests" it is obviously a done deal. From that point on the new owner will obviously be judged on his actions and whether the club makes progress. I support the club not those that own it. Given his past, if Samuelson is confirmed as a board member/chairman, I will still be wary of his intentions till proved otherwise. Edited May 24, 2016 by MikeMcKenna 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Why do you put such trust in the fit and proper tests? There are a number of very high-profile cases which prove it to be nothing more than a money collecting exercise for the F.A. whilst being incredibly bad deals for the clubs themselves. Whilst I'm not that bothered by this whole take-over (It'll either work, or it won't), I do find it funny how you constantly jump on people's posts who (quite rightfully) are asking questions of a seemingly increasingly odd collection of people who are trying to become Villa's sole owners. My point is, stop being so dismissive and passive aggressive to people, when you have just as much of a clue (i.e. none) as those who question the deal. What's in it for you? So you can say "I told you so" when we sign Messi and everything is great? One-upmanship on a whole new level. Yes all of the above, I win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Just now, Jareth said: Yes all of the above, I win. Another pointless post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2016 9 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: Another pointless post. I win again. Its easy when you're on another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted May 24, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 24, 2016 I dunno what is going on in this thread, I don't really know who Chris Samuelson is and I'm not sure how much of an influence he will have on Dr.X's plans but.... He's not Randy so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 Just now, PieFacE said: I dunno what is going on in this thread, I don't really know who Chris Samuelson is and I'm not sure how much of an influence he will have on Dr.X's plans but.... He's not Randy so... Well hes to be our deputy chairman. and brokered a deal which ended up with the owner of reading doing a bunk - and leaving the club in administration. Hes been under investigation by a couple of Government's for money laundering. Make your own mind up - he could have more of say in how Aston Villa is run than Dr x - depending on how deep into his past you want to go. Whatever your opinions - I don't think samuelson cab be dismissed as not relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 33 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Carson Yeung passed the fit and proper tests. Exactly, pretty much a case study as to why no one should put any stock into a prospective owner passing the damn thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC106 Posted May 25, 2016 Visiting Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 From my understanding as a Reading fan, Samuelson came in as the front man for the Russians when they took over but demanded to be on the board when they did so. He re-financed us by getting a loan from Vibrac in order to pay wages, and when he left (booted out) we were left with a huge bill just for dealing with them and for trying to close the account (we never even needed Vibrac) He tried to come back with an American consortium, and although they were a lot wealthier than the Thais we have now, we chose the Thais over ever having this man involved in our club again. There is too much smoke about Samuelson for there not to be some fire. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, RFC106 said: From my understanding as a Reading fan, Samuelson came in as the front man for the Russians when they took over but demanded to be on the board when they did so. He re-financed us by getting a loan from Vibrac in order to pay wages, and when he left (booted out) we were left with a huge bill just for dealing with them and for trying to close the account (we never even needed Vibrac) He tried to come back with an American consortium, and although they were a lot wealthier than the Thais we have now, we chose the Thais over ever having this man involved in our club again. There is too much smoke about Samuelson for there not to be some fire. Great.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, RFC106 said: From my understanding as a Reading fan, Samuelson came in as the front man for the Russians when they took over but demanded to be on the board when they did so. He re-financed us by getting a loan from Vibrac in order to pay wages, and when he left (booted out) we were left with a huge bill just for dealing with them and for trying to close the account (we never even needed Vibrac) He tried to come back with an American consortium, and although they were a lot wealthier than the Thais we have now, we chose the Thais over ever having this man involved in our club again. There is too much smoke about Samuelson for there not to be some fire. Hi mate welcome to the forum. How were Reading's finances at the time he took out that loan? Are you saying they borrowed money when they didn't need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFC106 Posted May 25, 2016 Visiting Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Jareth said: Hi mate welcome to the forum. How were Reading's finances at the time he took out that loan? Are you saying they borrowed money when they didn't need to? Thanks :o) We had just been relegated so had enough cash in the bank. I'm sure they borrowed money against the parachute payments from Vibrac, no one knows where the parachute payments went if I remember correctly. Look, I personally don't trust him and his name is mud down our was as well as at Everton. I never trusted him the first time I saw him speak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, RFC106 said: Thanks :o) We had just been relegated so had enough cash in the bank. I'm sure they borrowed money against the parachute payments from Vibrac, no one knows where the parachute payments went if I remember correctly. Look, I personally don't trust him and his name is mud down our was as well as at Everton. I never trusted him the first time I saw him speak. Cheers for the info, sounds like Reading did a bit of a wonga loan there, but that Samuelson had an opportunity to line his pockets from selecting the loan company. I prey that our new owner doesn't turn to him for a loan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 Samuelson quite vocal and open about the Reading situation here - quite possible he has been identified as the villain of the piece, when maybe it was Zingarevich? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27735136 Quote "Promotion to the top flight in 2012 earned the Royals an estimated £90m, with half of that money coming from television-related revenue, but they missed out on an immediate return to the Premier League this season. Samuelson said their debt was "generated by the residue of being in the Premier League", and also revealed why Zingarevich had withdrawn his interest in the club. "When Reading were promoted it had to rely on the resources it had," he said. "It did not get any extra investment from Anton Zingarevich which had originally been expected. The only way to bolster the team was to borrow money. Loans were arranged and secured on Premier League payments. "The hope was Anton would be able to arrange additional finance, which he said he would do. The club had hoped to move on some players which did not happen. Underneath the top tier of players the market was very dead last summer. "Anton told me he had some issues of his own back in Russia and that is why he found himself in the awkward position of not having the money for the remaining 49% and the money to finance the team. There was a compromise agreement reached with his father Boris Zingarevich to help finance the club." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 20 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Exactly, pretty much a case study as to why no one should put any stock into a prospective owner passing the damn thing. but we should put stock in what an internet chat forum think of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofthenet Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Jareth said: Samuelson quite vocal and open about the Reading situation here - quite possible he has been identified as the villain of the piece, when maybe it was Zingarevich? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27735136 Did he not also pay himself or his company a fee for organising the loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 25, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 25, 2016 Just now, backofthenet said: Did he not also pay himself or his company a fee for organising the loan? Dunno - but it's quite usual for a director to be paid for their services if not part of their directorship. Just saying, if you read that whole article on the BBC site, Samuelson's role more than ever comes across as a financial advisor, albeit he clearly enjoys a position of power at a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backofthenet Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Jareth said: Dunno - but it's quite usual for a director to be paid for their services if not part of their directorship. Just saying, if you read that whole article on the BBC site, Samuelson's role more than ever comes across as a financial advisor, albeit he clearly enjoys a position of power at a football club. http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/chris-samuelson-former-reading-fc-11355076 this article is the story, this guy wants power an the money Edited May 25, 2016 by backofthenet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 If Samuelson wasn't involved I think we'd all be a lot happier. Having him as part of the bid puts Dr. Tony in shady territory and just casts too much doubt over the whole affair. That's without him being on the board. If he's just here to secure the incoming funds from China... fine. If he's working as some sort of middle man between Xia and Hollis then that's fine too. What worries me is if he's getting his foot in the door of the boardroom, and only out for himself through similar dodgy deals. Prove us wrong Samuelson! Til then there's plenty of smoke with a fire surely burning somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted May 25, 2016 Share Posted May 25, 2016 Samuelson's involvement does cause a few doubts. However - the Reading 'situation' doesn't seem to be the same as what we have here - specifically The Doctor has enough money not to need to borrow etc. Which eases my concern somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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