TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 If the new management have cchosen to go with Eric Black's version of his spat with Okore I'm not too impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, TB said: If the new management have cchosen to go with Eric Black's version of his spat with Okore I'm not too impressed. Why? I'm sure there were others they could've asked as to what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 He was kicking off before the spat with black iirc sure he was spouting garbage about the CL before bacuna was but got away with it if he doesn't want to be here then get rid, that simple IMO he's not good enough to try and make him stay, anywhere near £5m and we should snap people's hand off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, mikeyp102 said: Why? I'm sure there were others they could've asked as to what happened. Well, Okore was never fined by the club. Disagreements between manager and player happen. But if a player refused to be on the bench, as Black claimed, I cannot understand why the club didn't react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, TB said: Well, Okore was never fined by the club. Disagreements between manager and player happen. But if a player refused to be on the bench, as Black claimed, I cannot understand why the club didn't react. Because the club was a shambles.. Gabby wasn't fined for a lot of things, doesn't mean it didn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, villa4europe said: He was kicking off before the spat with black iirc sure he was spouting garbage about the CL before bacuna was but got away with it if he doesn't want to be here then get rid, that simple IMO he's not good enough to try and make him stay, anywhere near £5m and we should snap people's hand off Not this again... Badly translated article from a Danish interview. Bacuna's comments were also badly mangled online. Why is it that every Villa fan pooh-poohs online news except when they may slate their own players? I'm confused. Give them grief when they're not doing the job on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 13 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: He is not playing about at all is he? I remember one of his interviews shortly after he took over, and a line that really stood out for me was something along the lines of 'If i want something i go and get it' That one line filled me with optimism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Because the club was a shambles.. Gabby wasn't fined for a lot of things, doesn't mean it didn't happen You really think that the club was that much of a shambles that when the acting manager was publicly criticizing a player for refusing to be a part of the squad they wouldn't react? OK. a real shambles, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 13 minutes ago, TB said: Give them grief when they're not doing the job on the pitch. Well neither player was really doing the job on the pitch were they? 9 minutes ago, TB said: You really think that the club was that much of a shambles that when the acting manager was publicly criticizing a player for refusing to be a part of the squad they wouldn't react? OK. a real shambles, then. Yes I do believe that the job was an absolute shambles, I have no evidence to prove this, but as fan looking on from the outside, it appears we let the players get away with anything they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TB Posted July 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2016 I'm not Danish, I'm Norwegian. But I have worked with Danes, and they tend to be quite outspoken, not beating around the bush. This is a player that didn't want to sign for Chelsea, because he wanted playing time and join the Danish national team. After joining Villa, he played with an injury to help the team even when the doctors warned him this would aggravate his injury (according to Sherwood - if he can be trusted). And then watching the shambles in central defence, when he wasn't picked, I can easily imagine a young Dane telling an interim manager that he felt he belonged in the 1st 11, and an interim manager feeling the need to lay down his marker as the boss. And even after the relegation, he said that he wouldn't mind staying, and would like to help the club back up again (even though he was unsure whether the new manager would give him enough playing time for him to be included in the national team. Playing in the Championship wasn't a problem. Not having enough time on the pitch was. By all means, criticize his performances when on the pitch. If you don't think he's good enough, then fine - I have no quarrel with that. Not sure he is myself. But don't accept any 'truths' from newspapers or any online sources that you would read with a large pinch of salt if it didn't concern a Villa player. </rant> 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That's fair enough, but I wasn't giving my opinion on the Okore situation so wasn't believing anything from the papers... You said that you'd be disappointed if Dr Xia is believing Eric Black's version of events. My point was that there are other people (Cowans etc) who were at the club at the same time and could've given RdM and Dr Xia the low down on what happened and thus giving them the opportunity to make up their own minds on how they want to proceed re the likes of Okore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: Well neither player was really doing the job on the pitch were they? Yes I do believe that the job was an absolute shambles, I have no evidence to prove this, but as fan looking on from the outside, it appears we let the players get away with anything they wanted. No, they were not. Agreed. But then again, hardly anyone in the squad were. A shambles altogether. I believe that this squad shouldn't be relegated. Near the bottom end, yes. A proper manager in charge that could unify the squad, decide on a playing style and tactics, and giving them a proper pre-season might have changed things. And for your second paragraph: I would amend this to 'it appears we let some players get away with anything they wanted'. Don't you think that would add to the frustration levels of anyone in the squad that really wanted to perform in a professional manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said: That's fair enough, but I wasn't giving my opinion on the Okore situation so wasn't believing anything from the papers... You said that you'd be disappointed if Dr Xia is believing Eric Black's version of events. My point was that there are other people (Cowans etc) who were at the club at the same time and could've given RdM and Dr Xia the low down on what happened and thus giving them the opportunity to make up their own minds on how they want to proceed re the likes of Okore. OK, I see. I was thinking more of RDM, not Dr Xia, really. I don't really want to think that Dr Xia is involved in who to keep and who to sell. As for other people in the club at the same time: we don't really know, do we? If it was a show-down on the training grounds: fair enough, that would have been rather public. But I'd think your average Dane (not knowing Okore is!) wouldn't have this out in public: he'd seek out his manager in private and ask to have a word. Then it's one's word against the other's. If any witnesses were at hand and Okore was at fault I cannot understand why he wasn't fined. The fact that he wasn't suggests to me that the club knows it's word against word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 40 minutes ago, TB said: I'm not beating around the bush. I had my face slapped for that once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TB Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, TRO said: I had my face slapped for that once. I didn't mention any bishop being present... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holtern8 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Sooner he comes of twitter the better. Some of the questions asked by fans are toe curling embarrassing...."why don't you buy Benteke back" etc. I'm sure he'll wise up soon when those 'happy' with him being on twitter end up being the same who send him a load of abuse when we lose a match. Probably best for him and all involved if he just sticks to posting stuff about the club and blocks replies from non-approved accounts. . Edited July 25, 2016 by Holtern8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 4 hours ago, Villan4Life said: Interesting if it's true. Has anyone checked to see whether there is any truth to this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarroki Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Tony only follows 33 people and a lot of them are fan clubs or famous villans. He follows 12 players, 3 of them being our new signings. Baker, Westwood, Grealish, Gestede, Clark, Green, Hepburn, Amavi, Ayew are the 9, plus Tshibola, Elphick and Gollini. Dont think there's too much to go on there. Nothing to read into because that tweet is not true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 4 hours ago, HeyAnty said: Not for me after the crap he said and apparently done towards the end of last season. He thinks he is Paul McGrath but he could even tie his boots Sorry, I've been drinking and I'm pretty sure you skipped a moderately important word. Are you Sloshed or NOT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponky Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Interesting seeing a few tweets to Tony complaining about AVTV issues and he has retweeted to Wyness, basically telling him to get it fixed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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