Barney_avfc Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) On 02/01/2016 at 00:41, Blasterpocket68 said: No I don't want him sacked that would now be pointless (no pun intended) Everyone has the right to change there mind I guess? Lol Blasterpocket68 19 Full Members 81 posts Posted 14 minutes ago · We prepare for the championship. Nigel Pearson should be appointed now. Edited January 3, 2016 by Barney_avfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted January 3, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, Blasterpocket68 said: We prepare for the championship. Nigel Pearson should be appointed now. No thanks. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Honestly? Very poor performance so far. If the season was not over you'd be tempted to say we've got to try again. However, it is. I don't think we've anything to lose by keeping him on, seeing if he can wrestle it back and look to build. There is nobody available to my mind that it's worth ripping it up again mid season. I wouldn't spend big in the January window. We will go down, we will need football men in at the club from there. We will need to tear the squad apart and start again. Again. We are lucky because every single player in that league will want to play for us. Good luck Remi. I think you need it. I'd agree with this and I think you sum up the mood music amongst most of us. There is no point getting rid now or, unless this run without a win was to get to ridiculous extremes, before the end of the season. Lets see how he goes and judge his overall performance then and decide if it warrants him continuing beyond the end of this season. However that shouldn't mean we can't pass judgement on how he has done so far and along the way between now and the end of the season. I totally agree and the lack of fight would be terrifying if we weren't already ****. I am in the camp that expects that to be naturally within most footballers, so why can't he find it? Luck has played it's part, like in their first yesterday. But there are a ton of issues that are undoubtedly coachable, such as their complete inability to defend as a unit when under pressure. That I can't abide. They've gotten worse. They were shocking yesterday. I traveled 270 miles to watch that and I was as angry as anyone. He takes the brunt of the blame for that, absolutely. Though I was more of a "we want Lerner out" man than a boo the players man. One thing I am glad of is that he appears to have FINALLY instigated a bit of a siege mentality. Too late, but welcome none the less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 20 minutes ago, Mantis said: I don't care about the "many ways of looking at it" - Garde walked into a tougher situation. I wouldn't necessarily argue with that and it seems it would be pointless anyway. Really my main issue with Garde is that he has done no better than his predecessor which given how crap we were under Sherwood has taken some doing. I mean the least you expect is a slight upturn in results. Maybe look more solid defensively, score more goals, create more chances, show a bit more passion. But nothing. I know he inherited someone else's squad. That is what happens though when you come in part way through a season. It happened to Sherwood with us last year, it happened to one of our relegation rivals with Allardyce at Sunderland. What you have to do is get the best out of that squad and I don't think, like Sherwood this season, Garde has. Having made the change so early Remi had a chance for me to keep us up. Just do enough to keep us in touch until January and then bring in a handful of players to hopefully push us to safety. If he could have maintained the 4 point gap he inherited that would have been great but even a 7 point gap would have done. He hasn't even been capable of doing that despite over the last month some decent fixtures. I hope things do improve under him I really do but it is such a waste that he has been incapable of having a positive impact in time to give us the chance of improving the squad in January to help see us safe. Really though in all of this the bottom line is that like McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood he inherited a crap situation, not one of his making, and the fault for that lies with those above him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, TRO said: I'm sorry Mantis, you just can't dismiss the Benteke comment as irrelevant ....its absolutely crucial.....Scoring goals to secure league points was central to the point. Adele may be a great singer, but with larangitis, she is not going to fill the auditorium " The many way of looking at it" I explained mine.............They are opinions, you have clearly got yours. So you think having a top quality striker with a proven goal scoring record out of form is comparable to having no top quality striker at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 31 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Honestly? Very poor performance so far. If the season was not over you'd be tempted to say we've got to try again. However, it is. I don't think we've anything to lose by keeping him on, seeing if he can wrestle it back and look to build. There is nobody available to my mind that it's worth ripping it up again mid season. I wouldn't spend big in the January window. We will go down, we will need football men in at the club from there. We will need to tear the squad apart and start again. Again. We are lucky because every single player in that league will want to play for us. Good luck Remi. I think you need it. Where I'm at pretty much, if the rest of the season goes like he is now - massive failure. As it is there isn't much to salvage now, and like you said there is no one worth getting to risk making a 3rd start all over again. I'm not anti garde, and was never hugely pro the likes of allardyce either...I was sold by others optimism that this guy was the option who could make us more than the also runners. I'm still not turning on garde, but I'm hugely underwhelmed which is part fault to my blind optimism. Like you, I see no point I'm changing now but I am kicking myself that we didn't go for allardyce back then. I suppose at the time I didn't know how badly we were condemned to relegation. Caught in the excitement of our "best summer ever" when the reality is we need a steady pair of hands to stop the rot. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) 33 minutes ago, TRO said: I'm sorry Mantis, you just can't dismiss the Benteke comment as irrelevant ....its absolutely crucial.....Scoring goals to secure league points was central to the point. Adele may be a great singer, but with laryngitis, she is not going to fill the auditorium " The many way of looking at it" I explained mine.............They are opinions, you have clearly got yours. The biggest issue with Benteke last season is that we stopped playing to his strengths as we had lost the ability to create chances having become far too negative. Sherwood came in and changed that. In fact he gave a number of players the confidence to go out and just play most notably Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Grealish. It was very short lived but enough to see us safe. Edited January 3, 2016 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 He dragged the players off yesterday. I liked that, even if it meant they didn't clap us as some would expect. Whatever, the time for sentimentality has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 43 minutes ago, TRO said: Do you stick or twist Do we sign Players with one eye on the championship? getting " PREPARED"or do we sign players to have one last blast at staying up. We are in the championship next year, there is no point whatsoever in signing players to stay up. Garde if he is to stay probably needs to replace in total about 14 players, he may as well try and do as much has he can in January so the bulk of the players will be here next season so in the summer there will be a minimal squad rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaChris Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Mantis said: That's hardly a fair comparison. When Sherwood came in last season we weren't several points adrift with no confidence and we had one of the best strikers in the league. Very true. It's the hate Sherwood gets compared to Paul Lambert that I don't get. Paul Lambert presided over some of the most embarrassing results in our history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSmith22 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 20 minutes ago, VillaChris said: Very true. It's the hate Sherwood gets compared to Paul Lambert that I don't get. Paul Lambert presided over some of the most embarrassing results in our history. His transfer policy and management kept us in the league. It's really not surprising we have become a car crash after he left. Benteke's health basically coincided with Sherwood's run as has been stated ad nauseam. Everyone involved in the club over the last few years harbors some blame for where we are but for goodness sake don't start beating this dead horse again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 3, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2016 18 hours ago, MikeMcKenna said: And possibly with the exception of Pearson they were all shite managers for all their 'pashun' Think you might have missed the irony in my post Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, VillaChris said: Very true. It's the hate Sherwood gets compared to Paul Lambert that I don't get. Paul Lambert presided over some of the most embarrassing results in our history. Lambert is easily the worst manager in Villa recent history. Clubs like Stoke and Everton are signing creative players and playing them as they built a defence and he never really put much effort into it plus some of results and performances were dreadful. losing 8-0 and having 2 barren runs of about 7 games in he same season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Mantis said: No thanks. Ok sit on the fence and continue to watch the decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 54 minutes ago, Zatman said: Lambert is easily the worst manager in Villa recent history. Clubs like Stoke and Everton are signing creative players and playing them as they built a defence and he never really put much effort into it plus some of results and performances were dreadful. losing 8-0 and having 2 barren runs of about 7 games in he same season Nope dont agree two seasons lambert was decent. sherwood had he been here three seasons i think we would quite comfortably be a midtable championship team by now. lambert bought arguably our best striker in last 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Barney_avfc said: Everyone has the right to change there mind I guess? Lol Blasterpocket68 19 Full Members 81 posts Posted 14 minutes ago · We prepare for the championship. Nigel Pearson should be appointed now. Barney yes ! Lol we do . We can sit and watch teams continue to dismantle us or give the job to someone with some Balls who understands the championship and what it takes to get out of it. WHY continue to experiment !!!!! I don't get it. of course In my opinion ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 3, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 3, 2016 4 minutes ago, Blasterpocket68 said: Ok sit on the fence and continue to watch the decline There's a difference between sitting on the fence and bring in a third manager of the season to help accelerate the decline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Lambert was far from decent Season 1: embarrassing 8-0 defeat along with other shockers like vs Spurs and WIgan and only saved by a top striker and b Wigan collapsing Season 2: slight improvement, played well against big teams but choked against smaller teams then a late season collapse nearly relegated us Season 3: diabolical, couldnt score in a brothel and managed a criminal performance vs Hull we conceded 130 goals in his 2 full seasons in charge 4 goalless games now for Blackburn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 7 minutes ago, Blasterpocket68 said: Ok sit on the fence and continue to watch the decline What a ridiculous comment. So because I don't want some backwards manager who will only be a good short-term option at best that means I'm just content to "watch the decline"? I'm not even sitting on the fence either - I've already said I think we should stick with Garde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blasterpocket68 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Rubbish don't like the idea of a third manager , but this is a garbage appointment were going down with no fight with a team That will struggle in the championship. This has to change now or we will continue to struggle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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