Popular Post Richard Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yes man appointed by people with a failed culture and philosophy who cannot see that they are wrong. Ladies and gentlemen our club is a shambles, broken and poisoned and we will go down further until Lerner and his cohorts get the f U.K. Out 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 said it before I dont mind getting relegated but its the manner in which we go down. This is gutless, clueless and hopeless and in fairness to Tim and Remi that transfer committee should be sacked first 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, KHV said: Somebody call Nigel Pearson please your an ostrich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted January 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, snowychap said: I wouldn't be surprised if he were out of the door by next weekend. Unless he resigns there is no chance this will happen. He is the long term plan even if that includes relegation, I'm sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, Mantis said: If anything a higher priority should be clearing out certain players. Things have been rotten for years with multiple managers at the helm. I suspect there's some really bad influences in the dressing room. players to clear out; guzan, hutton, richards, lescott, clark, richardson, gueye, gardner, nzogbia, agbonlahor, sanchez, sinclair, grealish, gestede 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thevillanofoz Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The problem with Garde is that if we continue like this, he ll be ruined by the end of the season, in the same way Lambert fell apart at the end it will happen to Remi and then he really won't be the right person for the rebuild. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, KHV said: players to clear out; guzan, hutton, richards, lescott, clark, richardson, gueye, gardner, nzogbia, agbonlahor, sanchez, sinclair, grealish, gestede you be quicker doing a players to keep list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunnski Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He will get the chance now to do something in the transfer market, he knows he needs a striker and it will hopefully spell the end of Gestede as there's no denying that he is terrible. We also need a good defensive midfielder and a goalkeeper. He deserves the chance to build his own team as the damage was done when he got here and it would of been a massive job for any manager to turn it around. Things are bad now and while I see plenty of faults atm, I want to see if he can improve things after the transfer window. ...and drop richards or play him at right back! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Thevillanofoz said: The problem with Garde is that if we continue like this, he ll be ruined by the end of the season, in the same way Lambert fell apart at the end it will happen to Remi and then he really won't be the right person for the rebuild. You cannot ruin something that is already bad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just now, mikeyjavfc said: Unless he resigns there is no chance this will happen. He is the long term plan even if that includes relegation, I'm sure of it. I just don't agree that anyone at this club has any sort of 'plan', let alone a long term one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Bear Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Am I the only one who does not see a single difference between this team and Sherwood's Villa? Its hard to tell what, if anything, he does. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post markavfc40 Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: and there's little to no improvement over Sherwood. There is no improvement is there. To suggest there is would be beyond clutching at straws. I know some hated Sherwood. I get that but making out his replacement has done better doesn't make Sherwood a worse manager. For me Sherwood did a poor job and so far Garde has been equally as bad. Sherwood had the advantage of a pre season with some of the players (some didn't sign until late in the window), and Garde has had the advantage that the lads new to this country have had longer to settle under him. Is nine games too early to judge? possibly but then equally so you could argue ten games under Sherwood with this squad was also. You know what I honestly don't know. What I would say is though that I would put my house on had Sherwood have stayed we'd be no worse points wise than we are now which really begs the question what was the point in changing manager. Not one of us would have envisaged or accepted his replacement having seen us get 4 points from 9 games, concede 18 goals, score 7 and go from 4 points from safety to 11 and one point above 20th place to sitting 20th seven points behind the 19th placed side. Remis time here has so far been nothing short of a disaster. Edited January 2, 2016 by markavfc40 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, R.Bear said: Am I the only one who does not see a single difference between this team and Sherwood's Villa? Its hard to tell what, if anything, he does. I don't see much difference, either. Garde's saving grace is that he isn't Sherwood. Edited January 2, 2016 by snowychap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted January 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Thevillanofoz said: The problem with Garde is that if we continue like this, he ll be ruined by the end of the season, in the same way Lambert fell apart at the end it will happen to Remi and then he really won't be the right person for the rebuild. keeping an eye out for the Lambert style transition from 'Ex-footballer' to 'fat homeless person'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, R.Bear said: Am I the only one who does not see a single difference between this team and Sherwood's Villa? Its hard to tell what, if anything, he does. There are loads of differences, imo. Unfortunately, the things that really count, defending and scoring goals, are the same, and that's what will see us down. I think we control games more now than we did under Sherwood. We often look like the "better" team in games far more than we did under Sherwood. Unfortunately, when you're about as effective at keeping goals out as a wet tissue and haven't figured out how to put the ball in the net, it doesn't really matter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, markavfc40 said: There is no improvement is there. To suggest there is would be beyond clutching at straws. I know some hated Sherwood. I get that but making out his replacement has done better doesn't make Sherwood a worse manager. For me Sherwood did a poor job and so far Garde has been equally has bad. Sherwood had the advantage of a pre season with some of the players (some didn't sign until late in the window), and Garde has had the advantage that the lads new to this country have had longer to settle under him. Is nine games too early to judge? possibly but then equally so you could argue ten games under Sherwood with this squad was also. You know what I honestly don't know. What I would say is though that I would put my house on had Sherwood have stayed we'd be no worse points wise than we are now which really begs the question what was the point in changing manager. Not one of us would have envisaged or accepted his replacement having seen us get 4 points from 9 games, concede a 18 goals, score 7 and go from 4 points from safety to 11 and one point above 20th place to sitting 20th seven points behind the 19th placed side. Remis time here has so far been nothing short of a disaster. Spot on. I think the suggestion that we have improved at all is utterly delusional thinking. I think Zatman made the comparison with Alain Perrin and it's a pretty good one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mantis Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 Why does everything have to be either extreme? We have improved but only very slightly and certainly not nearly enough to even come close to staying up. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted January 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) The best I can feel towards Garde is that I don't think there is a manager out there who could do significantly better with this lot. The question for me now is will he be the right man to bring us back up. I honestly don't know, but my gut feeling is no but I'm happy for him to be given the chance. I hope I'm wrong. Edited January 2, 2016 by Shropshire Lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjavfc Posted January 2, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, snowychap said: I just don't agree that anyone at this club has any sort of 'plan', let alone a long term one. If you think about the club has tended to flip flop under Lerner from resolutely following a long term plan as it increasingly damages the club (MoN's free reign, Lamberts slide into the abyss) followed by a period of mindless reactive decisions which inflict their own brand of damage (McLeash, Sherwood). I have a feeling Garde is the long-term variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Players like Gil and Adama who can make a difference have been really overlooked. He's done nothing to justify any of the excitement I had when he joined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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