blandy Posted May 11 Moderator Share Posted May 11 I know it’s a pain, but can we please use the lentil thread for chatting about the Green Party. Ta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted May 11 VT Supporter Share Posted May 11 6 hours ago, sidcow said: But personally I'm happy to go to labour just to end the ban on on shore wind farms. It's the cheapest form of power by absolutely miles and we can't have it under Tories. A group (I can't remember who, see Fully Charged Show) have identified enough land on unproductive, far from local population land suitable for windfarms which would be enough to generate DOUBLE the UK's electricity requirements. And get this, even if is was all used, it would still be less than useful farming land currently taken up by that enormously important to the future of humanity and self security activity called golf. How come there aren't questions being asked in parliament about the good farming land being taken up by Golf courses? They have many more better Green proposals than The Tories so I'll live with other things. Solution - put the wind farms on the golf courses and make the game interestingly dangerous (but not quite dangerously interesting). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Shock horror, a person with a long history of being a massive wrong 'un is a massive wrong 'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I am appalled she's in the party, but this is still the tories' scandal, they covered it up, and leaking this information reflects more badly on them than anything else. You had nothing to say when it happened, did you Rob, but now act like the tories have principles? **** scum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted Thursday at 11:52 Share Posted Thursday at 11:52 Well, I for one am inspired by Keith's pledges and vision for the future as outlined today. Inspiration, captivating, radical stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted Thursday at 12:14 VT Supporter Share Posted Thursday at 12:14 (edited) Starmer's pledges are made on rice paper, written during a typhoon. Edited Thursday at 12:14 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted Thursday at 12:34 Share Posted Thursday at 12:34 19 minutes ago, Chindie said: Starmer's pledges are made on rice paper, written during a typhoon. Hi Boris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted Thursday at 21:11 Share Posted Thursday at 21:11 He bloody loves making a pledge doesn't he. Unfortunately it's the fulfilling of the pledge that is the important bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted Friday at 15:18 Share Posted Friday at 15:18 (edited) On 11/05/2024 at 10:04, Jareth said: There is no tribalism anymore, says Starmer. So why exactly do we have an opposition? What the actual hell is happening right now? I've considered voting Green, that's how bad it is. This part just isn't true either. Starmer and Co are perfectly happy to be tribal when anyone vaguely left-wing in the party dare speak up Edited Friday at 15:18 by DaoDeMings 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted Friday at 18:14 Moderator Share Posted Friday at 18:14 There appear to have been pledges and I missed them. Is someone able to summarise please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Friday at 18:18 VT Supporter Share Posted Friday at 18:18 3 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: There appear to have been pledges and I missed them. Is someone able to summarise please? Stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted Friday at 18:21 Moderator Share Posted Friday at 18:21 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Stuff He doesn't mean it, It's borrowed right wing stuff. Let's see how this 'stuff' stands up over the test of time! etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted Friday at 18:23 VT Supporter Share Posted Friday at 18:23 1 minute ago, OutByEaster? said: He doesn't mean it, It's borrowed right wing stuff. Let's see how this 'stuff' stands up over the test of time! etc We all know we'll just end up with "uff" by the time he's through with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted Friday at 18:31 Moderator Share Posted Friday at 18:31 Found em.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69016719 Quote Sticking to tough spending rules in order to deliver economic stability Setting up Great British Energy, a publicly owned clean power energy company Cutting NHS waiting lists by providing 40,000 more appointments each week - funded by tackling tax avoidance and non-dom loopholes. Launching a border security command to stop the gangs arranging small boat crossings Providing more neighbourhood police officers to reduce antisocial behaviour and introduced new penalties for offenders Recruiting 6,500 teachers, paid for through ending tax breaks for private schools. So, Not spending any money on public services so as not to impact corporate profit - booo! Setting up a publicly owned future focused energy company - yay! (small print required) Cutting NHS waiting lists - yay! - by tackling tax avoidance and non-dom loopholes- double yay! Launching a border security command to stop the gangs arranging small boat crossings - seems to be a PR thing, a bit more funding for the police might have done it (see pledge1). More police and a focus on anti-social behaviour and 'little' crime - good stuff (would like to see how it relates to pledge 1). Recruiting 6,500 new teachers - yay - through ending tax breaks for private schools - double yay! There's some good stuff in there that I like and some bits that are little less promising - the devil will be in the detail, but I'm happy enough to leave the pitchfork in the shed for the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted Saturday at 05:30 Share Posted Saturday at 05:30 10 hours ago, OutByEaster? said: Found em.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69016719 So, Not spending any money on public services so as not to impact corporate profit - booo! Setting up a publicly owned future focused energy company - yay! (small print required) Cutting NHS waiting lists - yay! - by tackling tax avoidance and non-dom loopholes- double yay! Launching a border security command to stop the gangs arranging small boat crossings - seems to be a PR thing, a bit more funding for the police might have done it (see pledge1). More police and a focus on anti-social behaviour and 'little' crime - good stuff (would like to see how it relates to pledge 1). Recruiting 6,500 new teachers - yay - through ending tax breaks for private schools - double yay! There's some good stuff in there that I like and some bits that are little less promising - the devil will be in the detail, but I'm happy enough to leave the pitchfork in the shed for the moment. For me, it's just so uninspiring. It makes me sad to think that this is what a 'Labour Party' will campaign on. True socialist policies were binned when Jez was booted. He'll win though, undoubtedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted Saturday at 05:45 Share Posted Saturday at 05:45 12 minutes ago, Jon said: True socialist policies were binned when Jez was booted. He'll win though, undoubtedly. These two things are not unconnected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted Saturday at 05:54 Share Posted Saturday at 05:54 5 minutes ago, ml1dch said: These two things are not unconnected. I know. It makes me sad. Yet the actual policy proposals jez espoused were widely popular, according to various surveys. Which again makes me sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted Saturday at 06:41 Share Posted Saturday at 06:41 55 minutes ago, ml1dch said: These two things are not unconnected. I think Corbyn and losing are certainly connected. Not sure about genuine socialist policies. Starmer running on Corbyn's manifesto now, without Corbyn's baggage, would certainly win this free-hit of an election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted Saturday at 07:13 Share Posted Saturday at 07:13 21 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said: I think Corbyn and losing are certainly connected. Not sure about genuine socialist policies. Starmer running on Corbyn's manifesto now, without Corbyn's baggage, would certainly win this free-hit of an election Maybe. But parties tend not to lose two elections and then go back to the electorate with the same offering for a third time. And while there is definitely evidence that Corbyn's "we're just going to make all this stuff free now" offering was popular when detached from his brand, over time the personality and the ideas become entwined. For example, any merit that certain parts of free-market libertarianism may have had is trashed for a generation in public consciousness because it's now Trussism. So while going back with Corbynism for a third time probably would still win the next election it would undoubtedly make a Labour victory less inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaoDeMings Posted Saturday at 07:15 Share Posted Saturday at 07:15 Just now, ml1dch said: Maybe. But parties tend not to lose two elections and then go back to the electorate with the same offering for a third time. And while there is definitely evidence that Corbyn's "we're just going to make all this stuff free now" offering was popular when detached from his brand, over time the personality and the ideas become entwined. For example, any merit that certain parts of free-market libertarianism may have had is trashed for a generation in public consciousness because it's now Trussism. So while going back with Corbynism for a third time probably would still win the next election it would undoubtedly make a Labour victory less inevitable. Yeah in the context I agree, going back to something Corbyn-esque even without his brand would look weird. In a vacuum, though, I think something like his manifesto would be popular without a toxic leader at the head of it. I might be naive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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