The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[Chindie]

5 minutes ago, Xann said:

i see no one has learned anything, and are still trying to justify sitting at home and letting this government happen.

Yes, but what is this adding to us counting the ways we hate Corbyn?

[blandy]

7 minutes ago, Xann said:

i see no one has learned anything, and are still trying to justify sitting at home and letting this government happen.

I think many things have been learned. Number one is "whatever you do don't appoint someone like Corbyn as leader, it won't end well".

I justify sitting at home with the word "corollafungus".

I let this government happen for the entertainment value they bring. I like their funny clown car where the wheels keep falling off, I like the way they keep driving it up blind alleys and dead ends, and then having to try and turn it round while pulling in different directions and making funny noises about how they never went down that road. Smell my flower. Oh look they're driving it into the sea. Ha ha.

[Xann]

15 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Yes, but what is this adding to us counting the ways we hate Corbyn?

I can't reach anyone to slap them.

[darrenm]

10 minutes ago, blandy said:

corollafungus

lol. Had to check

[HanoiVillan]

Since there was some recent debate On Here about how much and whether Starmer is going to follow the '10 pledges':

 

[Jon]

He was always going to be Blair MKII, sadly.  

[Davkaus]

27 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Since there was some recent debate On Here about how much and whether Starmer is going to follow the '10 pledges':

 

Nandy didn't really look like she wanted to commit to an answer, specifically on the second question. I don't take that as a "we're not nationalising anything", but you have to view this through the lens of what has happened since he made those pledges. How much debt has the nation taking on since then? I can imagine nationalisation seems a bit less appealing. On the first question, well, yeah. Companies need furlough payments, why on earth would we be raising corporation tax and risking more jobs? It should be separated out from the top earners question though, IMO. 

Ultimately, this is a pointless discussion though. We're seeing one of the biggest economic disruptions in the last 80 odd years, and it's 4 years from an election. Pledges for the next election are at best a guess at the moment. 

 

Oh ok. Definitely not happening then 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Davkaus

[chrisp65]

An amendment before Westminster this evening to give the national governments a say on whether Westminster can unilaterally take powers away from them as part of the Internal Markets Bill.

Labour Senedd Leader, Mark Drakeford said it was vital that Wales gets a say on whether Wales loses any powers.

Starmer’s Westminster Labour Party..... abstained.

 

[Davkaus]

That seems a bit shit. Have you got any further details @chrisp65? I'm trying and failing to come up with any details of this amendment. 

[chrisp65]

19 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

That seems a bit shit. Have you got any further details @chrisp65? I'm trying and failing to come up with any details of this amendment. 

Only tweets from people with their obvious agendas. Can’t find anything ‘neutral’.

I know Welsh Labour and Mark Drakeford have been complaining about the Internal Markets ‘power grab’, but then we it’s come down to it, it was more important to be ‘anti Plaid’ than assist Welsh Labour.

 

 

 

The official Welsh Labour twitter account posting against the Bill and the attack on devolution on the 14th, 15th & 16th September.

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by chrisp65

[chrisp65]

Westminster Labour appears to be going hard on the Britishness of Labour.

Labour MP’s heckling a couple of days ago during a statement about the Owain Glyndwr anniversary.

 

[snowychap]

10 hours ago, Davkaus said:

That seems a bit shit. Have you got any further details @chrisp65? I'm trying and failing to come up with any details of this amendment. 

Hansard:

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Amendment proposed: 9, in page 41, line 25, leave out subsections (3) and (4) and insert—

“(2A) The other provisions of this Act may not come into force (and in particular no additions may be made to Part 2 of Schedule 7A to the Government of Wales Act 2006 (specific reservations), Part 2 of Schedule 5 to the Scotland Act 1998 (specific reservations) or Schedule 2 to the Northern Ireland Act 1998 (excepted matters)) until the Prime Minister is satisfied that resolutions have been passed in Senedd Cymru, the Scottish Parliament and the Northern Ireland Assembly in favour of those provisions coming into force.”—(Liz Saville Roberts.)

This amendment would ensure that no additional powers are reserved to Westminster through this Bill unless the devolved legislatures of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland give their consent.

Ayes: 63

Noes: 350

Question accordingly negatived.

It looks like it's the above amendment and Labour did abstain on it.

[bickster]

The Guardian has an Interesting review of two books about Corbyn's Labour, which actually touches on the Russia stuff we were talking about in the Tory topic. And plenty of other stuff besides. One, "This Land" is by the eminently punchable Corbynite Owen Jones, the other, "Left Out" is by political journalists Gabriel Pogrund and Patrick Maguire.

Some highlights of the review...

Talking about Left Out...

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One of these was a deferential view of Vladimir Putin, partly traceable to Milne and the close Corbyn aide Andrew Murray’s backgrounds in British communism, and their affinity with the old Soviet Union. In March 2018, when news broke of the poisoning of a former KGB agent and his daughter in Salisbury and blame fell on the Russian state, Corbyn made the risible suggestion that the toxic substance in question be sent to Moscow for testing. Soon after, Milne re-emphasised that proposal, and drew comparisons with the nuild-up to the invasion of Iraq. In the office of John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, an adviser was seemingly so enraged that he kicked a waste bin, and then let rip: “That’s f**king going to cost us the election! That’s f**king stupid. Who the f**k does stuff like that?”

And about Jones' book

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Now, his promise is of candour. Corbyn is described as “endlessly indecisive”: a man who, when faced with conflict, sometimes “didn’t come into the office or answer his phone”, “often did not seem fully present”, and was “always difficult to prep for major interviews and debates”. But Jones’s real bete noire is Milne, whom he charges with a simple “lack of professionalism”. One insider says he was one of the few people in Corbyn’s office “that you could actually discuss socialist theory with”, but in Jones’s telling, it was “impossible to get him to sign off press releases, speeches or other public interventions”, and “this apparent non-engagement would frequently bring the entire operation to a grinding halt”. From one of the Corbyn project’s most devout advocates, this is remarkable stuff. Such, perhaps, are the tensions between activism and journalism: when things are in full flow, partisan ties make frankness difficult, but after everything has fallen apart, the veracity inevitably comes too late.

 

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[blandy]

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'British soldiers accused of committing crimes, including torture, would go unpunished'.

I should hope so, too.

convicted of crimes, not so much.

[Chindie]

3 MPs sacked for not abstaining.

Don't use the word purge.

[snowychap]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

I should hope so, too.

convicted of crimes, not so much.

Well, there is to be a presumption against prosecution so make of that what you will.

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

3 MPs sacked for not abstaining.

Don't use the word purge.

An amusing irony is that, not for the first time, it was the 'illiberal left' standing up for the international rules-based order (in this case, the general internationally-recognised prohibition on torture), while the 'liberal' managerialists equivocated on it. 

Another interesting feature of the vote is that it was another abstention - on the Welfare Bill in 2015 - that effectively ended New Labour and guaranteed Corbyn's victory in the leadership contest. This abstention is the end of that interregnum, and the return of 'New Labour' in all but name.

[blandy]

1 hour ago, Chindie said:

3 MPs sacked for not abstaining.

Don't use the word purge.

I hit “search” and got this

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