Graham t Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I think you will find young people think they know better , whilst old people know they know better..., Keep smiling, VLD. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Graham t said: I think you will find young people think they know better , whilst old people know they know better..., Keep smiling, VLD. I keep reading this, aren’t they the same thing? Aren’t they both a belief in something. That said “think” allows for critical thought and an ability to allow change, and “know” means something steadfast and unable to allow change. So maybe not. Edited August 9, 2020 by Seat68 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Follyfoot Posted August 9, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, bickster said: Are you trying to make a valid point? If you are, you've utterly failed Have I now? Your point was that Country as a whole was more prosperous at the end of Blair’s terms of office, my point being the economy was already on the up and that had nothing to do with him, move forward two years and his Chancellor sold 40% of our gold deposits and also quoted along the way that we had gone past the boom and bust economic cycles due to labours stewardship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, Graham t said: I think you will find young people think they know better , whilst old people know they know better..., Keep smiling, VLD. Old people should know better.......too many don’t though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: Have I now? Your point was that Country as a whole was more prosperous at the end of Blair’s terms of office, my point being the economy was already on the up and that had nothing to do with him, move forward two years and his Chancellor sold 40% of our gold deposits and also quoted along the way that we had gone past the boom and bust economic cycles due to labours stewardship. Labour presided over the longest period of sustained prosperity in 200 years. If you think they inherited an economy on the up, you need to revisit that opinion. I lived through 18 ghastly years of Tory Government. They destroyed the industrial base of this country on the altar of monetarism. They believed the financial services sector was the future, that turned out well didn’t it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Follyfoot said: and his Chancellor sold 40% of our gold deposits So what? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Xann Posted August 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2020 Welcome to the dementia ward. The last 10 years didn't happen. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Graham t said: I think you will find young people think they know better , whilst old people know they know better..., Keep smiling, VLD. The following generations thank you for unaffordable housing, student loans, and climate change. "**** you, we got ours, now where's that ladder...". There are always some exceptions, but **** me, as a generation, the Boomers are just the **** worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The following generations thank you for unaffordable housing, student loans, and climate change. "**** you, we got ours, now where's that ladder...". There are always some exceptions, but **** me, as a generation, the Boomers are just the **** worst. I’m a Boomer. So are my circle of friends and to a man, or woman, we all dislike the Tories. Don’t fall into the Tory trap of dividing people in order to rule them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham t Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, Davkaus said: The following generations thank you for unaffordable housing, student loans, and climate change. "**** you, we got ours, now where's that ladder...". There are always some exceptions, but **** me, as a generation, the Boomers are just the **** worst. You sound bitter, don't be. Work hard, use your brains and you can have all the success we have had.... VLD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Since the end of the Second World War (75 years) only 3 labour leaders have won a majority in elections.That indicates to me we are a naturally conservative country. I think many people who lived through Blair’s governments just assume it will alternate between Tory and Labour governments. He did everything he could to bring Labour into the centre and won 3 elections with this policy.Many in the Labour Party would dismiss him as a Tory and maybe in certain areas they are right but if Labour ever wants to be in government again they are going to have to adopt similar views. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Graham t said: You sound bitter, don't be. Work hard, use your brains and you can have all the success we have had.... VLD. While not agreeing that the so called boomers had it quite as good as some think.I do think there were more opportunities for our generation. So many industries were decimated in the 80s and nineties. However the greatest change has been in the general psyche of the British people. Sadly they were cultivated into a harsher, me first, mentality. Not surprising there is bitterness in this generation. The danger is that that bitterness is turned on others, this inequality will be put right by all generations working together not against each other. I’m a boomer, my child and grandkids are not. I’ll never give up the fight for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Follyfoot said: Have I now? Your point was that Country as a whole was more prosperous at the end of Blair’s terms of office Was that my point? No it wasn't I refer you to my previous response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bickster Posted August 9, 2020 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Follyfoot said: Forgive me for not getting emotional about anecdotal characters I don’t know. Translation: I'm alright Jack 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: Since the end of the Second World War (75 years) only 3 labour leaders have won a majority in elections.That indicates to me we are a naturally conservative country. I think many people who lived through Blair’s governments just assume it will alternate between Tory and Labour governments. He did everything he could to bring Labour into the centre and won 3 elections with this policy.Many in the Labour Party would dismiss him as a Tory and maybe in certain areas they are right but if Labour ever wants to be in government again they are going to have to adopt similar views. The only thing that has given us Tory Governance so frequently since the last time any Party won more than 50% of the vote, is the anomaly of first past the post. Sadly, the splitting of the Left between Socialists and the primarily Left leaning Liberals has helped perpetuate a Right wing Governance on a minority of the vote. So no , I don’t go along with your assertion that the country is inherently Conservative in nature. PR will happen one day, I believe we are the only major country in Europe adhering to the FPTP system, in the interests of Democracythat cannot change soon enough in my opinion. Edited August 9, 2020 by meregreen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, meregreen said: The only thing that has given us Tory Governance so frequently since the last time any Party won more than 50% of the vote, is the anomaly of first past the post. Sadly, the splitting of the Left between Socialists and the primarily Left leaning Liberals has helped perpetuate a Right wing Governance on a minority of the vote. So no , I don’t go along with your assertion that the country is inherently Conservative in nature. PR will happen one day, I believe we are the only major country in Europe adhering to the FPTP system, in the interests of Democracythat cannot change soon enough in my opinion. No government in the last 75 years has ever got 50% of the vote .Even the “landslide” victory by Attlee in 1945 only got 47% ,Blair in 1997 achieved 43%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Only2McInallys said: No government in the last 75 years has ever got 50% of the vote .Even the “landslide” victory by Attlee in 1945 only got 47% ,Blair in 1997 achieved 43%. That rather confirms the belief that we are not dominated by Conservative thinking then doesn’t it. As I say FPTP, is the prime reason for so many periods of Tory rule. They rely on splitting the opposition vote. Time to address this anti democratic system methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only2McInallys Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, meregreen said: That rather confirms the belief that we are not dominated by Conservative thinking then doesn’t it. As I say FPTP, is the prime reason for so many periods of Tory rule. They rely on splitting the opposition vote. Time to address this anti democratic system methinks. I stated conservative with a small c not the party.I was talking about winning elections under the present system and how the Labour Party can become a government again.If it wants to win an election it will have to move to the centre . If you want a centrist government PR will be perfect for it.if you are happy to see Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson in House of Commons then let’s have PR because one major drawback is small extreme parties now have more power. Edited August 9, 2020 by Only2McInallys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Only2McInallys said: I stated conservative with a small c not the party.I was talking about winning elections under the present system and how the Labour Party can become a government again.If it wants to win an election it will have to move to the centre . If you want a centrist government PR will be perfect for it. It would I think be more of a centre left leaning. I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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