Possibly interesting maps...

[leviramsey]

well Minneapolis-St. Paul are two different cities so whats the split?

Minneapolis and St. Paul are more or less co-equal to each other as urban centers, thus the moniker Twin Cities.

[mjmooney]

well Minneapolis-St. Paul are two different cities so whats the split?

Minneapolis and St. Paul are more or less co-equal to each other as urban centers, thus the moniker Twin Cities.

See also Budapest.

[leviramsey]

well Minneapolis-St. Paul are two different cities so whats the split?

Minneapolis and St. Paul are more or less co-equal to each other as urban centers, thus the moniker Twin Cities.

See also Budapest.

Didn't Buda and Pest merge into one jurisdiction in the 19th century? Minneapolis (seat of Hennepin County) is quite separate from St. Paul (seat of Ramsey County... just sayin').

[MMFy]

[LondonLax]

It's not really that hard, a city is a city, there's a defined list of where exactly has City status, and what the borders of each city is.

Just we now have massive metropolitan areas that people think are cities, that aren't (usually by people who want to manipulate population figures to make their city look more important than it is (Manchester I'm looking at you!))

"Greater London" is just a ton of boroughs and two cities, the city of London (population circa 12,000) and the city of westminister (population circa 250,000).

I think the UK notion of "city status" is a pretty narrow definition of a city.

In your example, the "City or Westminster" and the "City of London" just happen to be the name of two of London's more central boroughs.

The actual city of London is the area the Mayor of London controls and has a population of about 9 million.

[TheDon]

It's not really that hard, a city is a city, there's a defined list of where exactly has City status, and what the borders of each city is.

Just we now have massive metropolitan areas that people think are cities, that aren't (usually by people who want to manipulate population figures to make their city look more important than it is (Manchester I'm looking at you!))

"Greater London" is just a ton of boroughs and two cities, the city of London (population circa 12,000) and the city of westminister (population circa 250,000).

I think the UK notion of "city status" is a pretty narrow definition of a city.

In your example, the "City or Westminster" and the "City of London" just happen to be the name of two of London's more central boroughs.

The actual city of London is the area the Mayor of London controls and has a population of about 9 million.

The City of London is not a Borough.

[shambles]

And it doesn't have a population of about 9 million people, either.

[MrDuck]

Up until the 20th century in Britain, a town had to have a cathedral to qualify as a city.

[mjmooney]

Some others here.

[mjmooney]

One for Levi:

Linguistic Geography of the Mainland United States

Traditionally, dialectologists have listed three dialect groups in the United States: Northern, Midland, and Southern--although some scholars prefer a two-way classification of simply Northern and Southern, and one may also find significant difference on the boundaries of each area. The map shown above represents a synthesis of various independent field studies this century. These are in chronological order: the Linguistic Atlas fieldwork begun under the direction of Hans Kurath in the 1930's; the informal but extensive personal observations of Charles Thomas in the 1940's; the DARE fieldwork of the 1960's under Frederic Cassidy; and the Phonological Atlas fieldwork of William Labov during the 1990's.

Although it may seem that a great amount of data has been collected over a short time span, the shifts in American dialects this century have been rapid enough to outpace the data collection. What appears to be a well-entrenched dialect marker today such as the Northern Cities Shift, may barely appear in earlier studies--affecting both classification and mapping. Nevertheless, some basic observations on current American linguistic geography can be made.

The New England Dialects

These dialects are non-rhotic, dropping r's before consonants and at the end of words. This area is further subdivided into Eastern New England, including Boston and much of Maine, where O and AU shift into an intermediate vowel so that cot and caught are merged. Transitional between Eastern New England and New York, Western New England is less well defined. Providence retains R-dropping, but does not merge O and AU.

The New York Dialects

New York City has a rather anomalous linguistic situation, in that its local dialect was not reproduced further westward and therefore cannot be fit into any larger regional grouping such as New England or the Midland.(1) Like New England, the dialect is R-dropping--other features are more generally common to the Northeastern seaboard. The Hudson Valley dialect of Albany, though R-preserving, is nevertheless close enough to New York City's to be grouped with it: both of them shared a Dutch linguistic substratum which is now only vestigial.

The Great Lakes Dialects

Among all the dialect regions, the Great Lakes region is perhaps the most homogenous, since the major cities in this area (Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee) are simultaneously undergoing a chain shift known as the Northern Cities Shift, with a rotation of the short vowels so that "they may be heard as members of another phoneme by listeners from another dialect area with consequent confusion of meanings: Ann as Ian, bit as bet, bet as bat or but , lunch as launch, talk as tuck , locks as lax" (Labov 1991). This area is fully R -preserving, even though the earliest settlers of this area were primarily New Englanders. At present New England influence is evident only in the lexicon.

The Upper Midwest Dialects

This area is characterized mainly by a conservative vowel scheme, where the long vowels (often attributed to Scandinavian influence) have remained purely monophthongal, exemplified in the widely known long O in the name Minnesota. Along the northern border are found Canadianisms such as the centralized long I in fuyr (fire) and the centralized ow "uh-oo" in : ouwt (out).

The Midland Dialects

Midland dialects retain R in all positions, and long I is not flattened (monophthongized) as uniformly as in the South, but the Midland is otherwise not very easy to describe as a whole, since "each of the Midland cities -- Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Columbus, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Kansas City -- has its own local character." (Labov 1997). More southerly Midland cities have a typically Southern fronted nucleus in ow, e.g. aout (out); more northerly Midland cities tend not to. Labov (1997) on this basis divides the area horizontally into a North Midland and South Midland.(2) Previous researchers have also seen east-west distinctions, separating the Pennsylvania dialect(s) from those of the Lower Midwest. (Kurath 1949, Thomas 1958, Carver 1989).

The Western Dialects

Western phonology has only recently begun to diverge, primarily with the merger of AU into the short O class: e.g. cot for both caught and cot, and the fronting of the long U class, e.g. "ih-oo" in words such as two. Otherwise it appears that the Western dialects were formed primarily from a Midland base, since both groups are similarly conservative in their phonology--in fact it was certainly Midland and Western dialects which were so often lumped together under the catch-all phrase "General American".(3) Westward migration has also carried typically Northern features into the Pacific Northwest, and Southern features into the Southwest: both phonology (Labov 1997) and lexicon (Carver 1989) have been affected.

[leviramsey]

Languages on twitter

Nothing new, really, but the geography of twitter usage is perhaps the interesting thing.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

The CIA read over 5 million tweets a did, dontcha know.

Hate to be the guy that does that job.

[leviramsey]

Kind of interesting that twitter is bigger in Indonesia than Australia...

[Mr_Dogg]

Kind of interesting that twitter is bigger in Indonesia than Australia...

Australia is just coastline protecting an enormous wasteland.

Ain't nobody to tweet.

[leviramsey]

But how much tweeting goes on in the jungles of Indonesia?

[Mr_Dogg]

But how much tweeting goes on in the jungles of Indonesia?

Who knows but their population is 10 times bigger than Australia.

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

this is interesting

[Ponky]

But how much tweeting goes on in the jungles of Indonesia?

Even if 50% of Indonesia's population had computers and 100% of Australia's did, there would be 100 million more computer users in Indonesia.

[Ponky]

I'm thinking we can probably agree on the name of this geographical feature:

[leviramsey]

Canadian Shield?