DelboyVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant So Lambert is a cheque book manager then? There are still some managers out there who konow about motivation, formations and tactics? Spending a shit load of money on loads of players is not always the answer? Spending money is only part of the skill of management! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 So because he sat down in a game youve gone off him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant Money buys you success but a good coach will get you good football! The players are better than their performances. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant So Lambert is a cheque book manager then? There are still some managers out there who konow about motivation, formations and tactics? Spending a shit load of money on loads of players is not always the answer? Spending money is only part of the skill of management! He's only a cheque book manager in the sense that everyone else in the premier league is too. I think that phrase is a bit out dated now to be honest. Sure it is only a part of management but you cant make a silk purse from a cows ear , you need the tools in the first place trouble is those tools cost a bit of money, or else you'll be in our position of making do and just surviving each season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant Money buys you success but a good coach will get you good football! The players are better than their performances. The players are in the main lower mid table players with the odd gem thrown into the mix. That is typically what we are getting on the pitch, lower mid table performances with the odd gem thrown in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be fair to Lambert, he's only had 3 seasons to find a creative/attacking #10 type. Give the poor bloke a chance. It can't be easy Far easier to spunk 8m on another battler Now that's a sentence i never thought i would see. Lambert, creative, attacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be fair to Lambert, he's only had 3 seasons to find a creative/attacking #10 type. Give the poor bloke a chance. It can't be easy Far easier to spunk 8m on another battler I think that and striker is probably a position most teams would love to get better players in. They are the positions that catch the eye in the main. Plus players of good quality in those positions tend to cost a bit more than we have had available , especially in wages. Get the rest of the team right first, then add the cherry on top I think has been the mantra till now. People underestimate the issue of money. When we had MON here we paid shed loads in transfer fees and had the 6th highest wage bill. We finished 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Someone else said it a while back. If Lambert had more money we'd just have better players under performing. He's shown nothing to make me think spending more money would see big improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant Money buys you success but a good coach will get you good football! The players are better than their performances. The players are in the main lower mid table players with the odd gem thrown into the mix. That is typically what we are getting on the pitch, lower mid table performances with the odd gem thrown in You missed the point though Richard. A good manager gets the players together as a team and raises the performance levels of the poorer players to the leval of the better ones. Lambert is the opposite and lowers better players down to the level of the poor players. He is the High Priest of Anti-Football with many duped into following him and believing his evil sermons. Even McLeish looks up and admires his powers at making weak minded people believe that dire unentertaining turgid football is all that we can expect and deserve. He is wrong, his message is wrong and his work is evil. We need a footballing exorcism now! Some fans will need counselling but they will again be able to watch us play and attack the opposition and even see our players scoring goals and winning games. We need a revolt and we need to start returning those tricked into this cult back to the religion of the Aston Villa and stay away from the Altar of Anti-Football! Please remember that whatever money, however small in comparrison to some, Lambert has had he has never improved the performance on the pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You missed the point though Richard. A good manager gets the players together as a team and raises the performance levels of the poorer players to the leval of the better ones. Lambert is the opposite and lowers better players down to the level of the poor players. He is the High Priest of Anti-Football with many duped into following him and believing his evil sermons. Even McLeish looks up and admires his powers at making weak minded people believe that dire unentertaining turgid football is all that we can expect and deserve. He is wrong, his message is wrong and his work is evil. We need a footballing exorcism now! Some fans will need counselling but they will again be able to watch us play and attack the opposition and even see our players scoring goals and winning games. We need a revolt and we need to start returning those tricked into this cult back to the religion of the Aston Villa and stay away from the Altar of Anti-Football! Please remember that whatever money, however small in comparrison to some, Lambert has had he has never improved the performance on the pitch! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You missed the point though Richard. A good manager gets the players together as a team and raises the performance levels of the poorer players to the leval of the better ones. Lambert is the opposite and lowers better players down to the level of the poor players. He is the High Priest of Anti-Football with many duped into following him and believing his evil sermons. Even McLeish looks up and admires his powers at making weak minded people believe that dire unentertaining turgid football is all that we can expect and deserve. He is wrong, his message is wrong and his work is evil. We need a footballing exorcism now! Some fans will need counselling but they will again be able to watch us play and attack the opposition and even see our players scoring goals and winning games. We need a revolt and we need to start returning those tricked into this cult back to the religion of the Aston Villa and stay away from the Altar of Anti-Football! Please remember that whatever money, however small in comparrison to some, Lambert has had he has never improved the performance on the pitch! Thanks No problem anytime. Sometimes people need to hear the no pulled punches harsh reality. It's called tough love? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Lambert and Keane are both playing bad cop bad cop at the moment. Where is the motivation coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted November 17, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted November 17, 2014 I think that and striker is probably a position most teams would love to get better players in. They are the positions that catch the eye in the main. Plus players of good quality in those positions tend to cost a bit more than we have had available , especially in wages. Get the rest of the team right first, then add the cherry on top I think has been the mantra till now. People underestimate the issue of money. When we had MON here we paid shed loads in transfer fees and had the 6th highest wage bill. We finished 6th. In his best season (his first), MON should have finished 4th. He got 6th because that's as far as his one-dimensional tactics could ever take us. You could have given him the highest wage bill (and we all know he tried his hardest to get there!) but the better teams had him sussed out. We would never have gotten any higher. Lambert is similarly one-dimensional, only our football has regressed. If we spent the same amount on wages as MON had, I'd wager he'd still get no higher than bottom half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You missed the point though Richard. A good manager gets the players together as a team and raises the performance levels of the poorer players to the leval of the better ones. Lambert is the opposite and lowers better players down to the level of the poor players. He is the High Priest of Anti-Football with many duped into following him and believing his evil sermons. Even McLeish looks up and admires his powers at making weak minded people believe that dire unentertaining turgid football is all that we can expect and deserve. He is wrong, his message is wrong and his work is evil. We need a footballing exorcism now! Some fans will need counselling but they will again be able to watch us play and attack the opposition and even see our players scoring goals and winning games. We need a revolt and we need to start returning those tricked into this cult back to the religion of the Aston Villa and stay away from the Altar of Anti-Football! Please remember that whatever money, however small in comparrison to some, Lambert has had he has never improved the performance on the pitch! Thanks No problem anytime. Sometimes people need to hear the no pulled punches harsh reality. It's called tough love? How old are you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be fair to Lambert, he's only had 3 seasons to find a creative/attacking #10 type. Give the poor bloke a chance. It can't be easy Far easier to spunk 8m on another battler Who did we spend £8m on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 To be fair to Lambert, he's only had 3 seasons to find a creative/attacking #10 type. Give the poor bloke a chance. It can't be easy Far easier to spunk 8m on another battler Who did we spend £8m on? I think people are reacting to the press reports around Cleverleys loan signing and potential perm move in Jan? However could the current regime be that stupid as to pay such a large transfer fee for an average midfielder with only 6 months left on his contract? No one is that stupid are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant It's not that simple, otherwise the premier league table would just match the amount of money spent by each club on transfers and wages. There's a group of middle-ranking clubs where performance is also influenced strongly by the way the club is run and the squad and team are managed. The relative success this season of Southampton, Swansea, Stoke and West Ham demonstrates this. There was an interesting article in the Guardian about this last week: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/10/good-housekeeping-premier-league-high-flyers Basically saying the important factors are a well-stocked and settled defence, lower expectations so less pressure on the players, and well-run club, youth, scouting and management set-ups. Got a feeling we fall short on all these counts and some are absolutely down to the manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobzy Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sorry if people think using the issue of money is a poor excuse. Trouble is that is what the game is about these days , those with it and those without it. Those with it can buy the better players and be more successful. Those without it cant It's not that simple, otherwise the premier league table would just match the amount of money spent by each club on transfers and wages. There's a group of middle-ranking clubs where performance is also influenced strongly by the way the club is run and the squad and team are managed. The relative success this season of Southampton, Swansea, Stoke and West Ham demonstrates this. There was an interesting article in the Guardian about this last week: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/10/good-housekeeping-premier-league-high-flyers Basically saying the important factors are a well-stocked and settled defence, lower expectations so less pressure on the players, and well-run club, youth, scouting and management set-ups. Got a feeling we fall short on all these counts and some are absolutely down to the manager. The way the club is run and the ethos employed is definitely important. The interesting things with the clubs mentioned are that they've had to struggle back from somewhere bleak on the whole. Southampton and Swansea were both financially stricken and West Ham were relegated having overspent. With Stoke, they've had to struggle in the bleakness of Stoke . But yes, if you're a well run club operating sensibly on turnover:wages, you have a better chance of doing well. Southampton's current form is nothing short of remarkable, mind, and a lot of credit has to go to both Pochettino and, moreso, Koeman who has come in and had to, essentially, re-vamp his first team. The club are run well, though, and that's where the money aspect comes into it. They've re-couped huge fees but been able to put the vast majority of those straight back into the playing staff. That said, there's no way they "should be" 2nd in the table. I still think that, given the end of the season, we'll see a league table that essentially reflects position in league = amount spent on playing staff. The middle bit is the most volatile and is looks as if Southampton are escaping it - very quickly at that, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 You missed the point though Richard. A good manager gets the players together as a team and raises the performance levels of the poorer players to the leval of the better ones. Lambert is the opposite and lowers better players down to the level of the poor players. He is the High Priest of Anti-Football with many duped into following him and believing his evil sermons. Even McLeish looks up and admires his powers at making weak minded people believe that dire unentertaining turgid football is all that we can expect and deserve. He is wrong, his message is wrong and his work is evil. We need a footballing exorcism now! Some fans will need counselling but they will again be able to watch us play and attack the opposition and even see our players scoring goals and winning games. We need a revolt and we need to start returning those tricked into this cult back to the religion of the Aston Villa and stay away from the Altar of Anti-Football! Please remember that whatever money, however small in comparrison to some, Lambert has had he has never improved the performance on the pitch! Thanks No problem anytime. Sometimes people need to hear the no pulled punches harsh reality. It's called tough love? How old are you? About 40 years older than your usual type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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