The_Lions_Roar Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It cost less than £3m to sign Tonev who is clearly adapting to a new league, language, and country. He's shown hints of ability but too often makes the wrong decision in an effort to impress. Ridiculous to write him off so early. This instant gratification of transfer signings is just silly. If Tonev cost £10m, £20m, or even £30m, you'd make a better argument in terms of return of quality. He's a low risk signing and is obviously hungry to play. Like with Kozak, a player brought in to take the weight of responsibility off Benteke and act as his replacement in case of injury or loss of form. You cannot expect foreign players or those from the lower leagues to be instant successes. It doesn't always work like that. They go through periods of bad form, injury and confidence. It's natural. Obviously Lambert deems them good enough or have enough potential to do a job at this club. There's an inherent gamble with every transfer and sometimes certain players will take longer to adapt. Not everything is solely the fault of the manager. I wouldn't worry too much, petrov was written off after a few months and we all know how much he was missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 My be completely wide of the mark but I think we agreed the Kozak deal before we knew Benteke was staying, even though we signed him a month later. Whilst that doesn't really make sense, it make about as much sense as signing Kozak. He's done ok and put himself about a bit. I'm not convinced he is the quality we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 My be completely wide of the mark but I think we agreed the Kozak deal before we knew Benteke was staying, even though we signed him a month later. Whilst that doesn't really make sense, it make about as much sense as signing Kozak. He's done ok and put himself about a bit. I'm not convinced he is the quality we need. There's no way we'd make a deal we couldn't get out of a month before we signed a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 'So, we will try to win every game. I'm not going to sit back. I've not been used to that. We'll try to win. If we can do that with style, then great. If you nick the odd one by doing it another way, we'll take it. 'But there's too many people who come to Villa to watch - especially at home when there's 40,000 here - and I'm pretty sure they are not going to sit there and wait for you to take 40 minutes to get into the game and have your first shot at goal. 'They won't accept it. We will have to get the crowd going. That's what we will do.' What Lambert said when he first joined. 18 months later and it was bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 'So, we will try to win every game. I'm not going to sit back. I've not been used to that. We'll try to win. If we can do that with style, then great. If you nick the odd one by doing it another way, we'll take it. 'But there's too many people who come to Villa to watch - especially at home when there's 40,000 here - and I'm pretty sure they are not going to sit there and wait for you to take 40 minutes to get into the game and have your first shot at goal. 'They won't accept it. We will have to get the crowd going. That's what we will do.' What Lambert said when he first joined. 18 months later and it was bullshit. Most of its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 For what it's worth I think lambert is damaged goods now, he's compromised his ideas. Listen to the way he spoke when he came in, it's a different bloke to the one who managing us into oblivion. Failing to inspire the fans and now his own squad of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONCABA Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I know it's been said umpteen times before but considering the financial constraints he's working under, he's managing to keep us ticking over, all be it playing very poor tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I never thought BJ would be too optimistic on an issue concerning Villa but Helenius I don't see what you see he looks pap IMO I think Helenius has looked very good from the glimpses I have seen from him. Lambert obviously doesn't agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM3000 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 A manager has a huge difference on the team. Everyone saying well who can do better? Im aware Southampton spent money but the change of style when they changed from Adkins has been huge, they look better for it. Look at how crap Moyes is doing with this Utd team, Fergie destroyed the league with this exact team. Moyes doesn't adapt and neither does Lambert. Billy Davies at Forest seems to play good football, Id rather we go the wrong with a positive manager trying to do something but we are slowly sinking with Lambert as it is. Id rather we go straight down the plug hole than be trapped swirling around it for years before finally slipping in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 My be completely wide of the mark but I think we agreed the Kozak deal before we knew Benteke was staying, even though we signed him a month later. Whilst that doesn't really make sense, it make about as much sense as signing Kozak. He's done ok and put himself about a bit. I'm not convinced he is the quality we need.There's no way we'd make a deal we couldn't get out of a month before we signed a player. After some of the deals we have done in recent years, it really would not surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post R.I.C.O. Posted February 25, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2014 Having just read the Matt Kendrick article, I think he has touched on something at the club that maybe we haven't thought too much - about which is the apathy of the fans. It's not as though the fans don't care, and to be honest I can't see, at least short term, how any fan group will change things. What we have here is a perfect storm, a classic Catch 22. Whilst plenty of fans are bored and tired with Lambert's football and his huge limitations, I don't imagine many if any have the trust or faith in the board to find a suitable replacement. Whichever way it goes, we'll end up with something nobody wants. I have been hugely critical of the circus that makes up our board, but to be fair to Lerner/Faulkner, despite the horrific miscalculation in hiring McLeish, the appointment of Lambert was a largely favourable and positive one. They admitted their mistakes and there weren't too many complaints either and it wasn't just because anybody could have been better than McLeish; Lambert had a good track record in the lower leagues and had a good season in the PL with Norwich. He was seen as an up and coming manager that could turn out to become very good. I seem to recall at the time many were thinking that we'd struggle to hold on to him if his contract were to be extended. How times change! What was not calculated into the managerial selection was the plan to build a young, cheap team, forgetting for a minute where we bought them from and for how much. Young players need nurturing, they need to be developed on so many different levels, it would take a specialised manager and coach to make the plan work. The greatest advantage for a manager working with young talent is they will give you everything, they want to learn, improve and they listen, hanging on your every word. Lambert/Culverhouse is not the right management team to take on that role, as despite Lambert's qualities he was/is still learning the job himself. He was used to more experienced players, lower league cloggers that knew exactly what they had to do and easily understood what he wanted. Maybe somebody like Carlos Queiroz should have been the choice in this case, who has a vast knowledge of working with youngsters as well as PL experience. Whichever way you look at it, Villa have to take some serious decisions this summer. Assuming we do manage to stay up, do we stick with Lambert and face another season of his tactical ineptitude, poor football, shocking home form whilst listening to him tell us how we were "excellent" after more cowardly, turgid performances. Or do we trust Randy and Paul Faulkner to find the right man to execute their plan whilst getting us to play some progressive, exciting and entertaining football, bearing in mind just 10 days ago they were willing to give Lambert a 3 year contract extension? I think a few more defeats (especially at home) and the tide will turn (and it will get ugly). Although its good to see the local press exert some pressure on our absentee landlord (sorry "custodian"), I don't think Matt Kendrick got it quite right, the Villa fans are not apathetic, they're just stuck between a rock and a hard place and it's a real shit place to be. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'm sure the records show that every manager to relegate Villa has been Scottish. Just get an Englishman in, Randy, and we'll be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 3 points this weekend are an absolute must, otherwise I think I will have lost all patience with Mr Lambert. The standard of football this season seems to be deteriorating with every match that passes, and we are slowly dropping down the table towards the danger zone. I have a feeling that another home defeat on Sunday will see the crowd officially turn, and I don't see any way back from that. I'm all for giving managers time, and for clubs to try to stabilise, but we're nearly back to where we started! just interested ....why is that one game going to be the influence in telling you, what we have been watching for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 My be completely wide of the mark but I think we agreed the Kozak deal before we knew Benteke was staying, even though we signed him a month later. Whilst that doesn't really make sense, it make about as much sense as signing Kozak. He's done ok and put himself about a bit. I'm not convinced he is the quality we need.There's no way we'd make a deal we couldn't get out of a month before we signed a player.After some of the deals we have done in recent years, it really would not surprise me. We're run by clowns but that would be a ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 ha ha...If you express an opinion without an example, folk say give us an example, if you give and example its cherry picking or a poor example.....its a bloody great cop out. we have bought more poor buys than good ones and that is one of the main reasons why we are in the shit.....you get to a point where you can't keep funding poor buys. don't ****Ing ask me for an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Kodak....7 mill Hernandez...7 mill Kompany....7 mill MIchu.....2mill Vidic.....7mill Matic 1.5 mill first time It's about value for money, we ain't getting it. I really hope that's a typo... But yeah, as others said, that doesn't prove anything. It's just cherry-picking. Kozak isn't even the best example to use anyway. He's hardly been a flop. Whether he's been a flop isn't the point. The point is that we spent £7m on another striker when the money could and chould have been spent elsewhere. Actually that was the point. Your point is correct, but it wasn't the point being made by TRO. your quite right, and maybe i didn't make my point very clear to some....we buy too many players that we get nothing from.....irrespective of their cost to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayEm Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I still have some hope in Lambert if he is backed properly this summer, assuming we stay up. I also think he's had a fair amount of bad luck in terms of injuries and players massively underperforming. And there are rare glimmers of hope in performances against Liverpool, the Baggies, and even second half v Cardiff. Having said that, Lambert has massively dissapointed me this season and fans have every right to be annoyed. My word, this is a confusing season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 How much did Matic give to Chelsea when they got him for 1.5m? (as one of your examples) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 It will all come right..... ......just not sure by what means and when. There I've made a positive post....I feel good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 How much did Matic give to Chelsea when they got him for 1.5m? (as one of your examples) I have not tracked the players life.....are your saying you wouldn't have him in our team? its like i said in my earlier post you make examples in a few seconds and hope folk get your general point, you make examples to help your, point not prove it.....we buy too many shit players was my point....but usually when you say that, some come back with well we don't spend enough money, when bent @ 20 odd mill and zog at 10 mill or curtis davies or one of your own better examples with a big spend have not done it for us. we have just had too many of them in recent years..... we all know it happens, it has happened too much to us IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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