Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 I disagree mooney. Don't get me wrong compared to zep they were a bit one dimentional but zep were extremely diverse to the point where you just never knew what they were capable of next. Sabbath had a lot of influences, iommi butler and ward were into all kinds of music including classical. Their are small elements of classical music in sabbaths songs. Their was also a lot of light and shade with sabbath, it wernt all bang bang bang. I think zep are a tad boring compared to sabbath and sabbath lyrics were more meaningful. As everyone knows you only have to look at zeps first 3 albums and their are rip offs all over them. Take since I've been loving you, that was a blatant rip off from a moby grape tune. Sabbath from the off started something new and with each album built on their sound and developed it. Don't get me wrong they did lend one or two ideas. Communication breakdown= paranoid, sunshine of your love= nib. Overall sabbath were diverse for the kind of music they played and took risks. I love zep myself but I really don't think they can say they were above sabbath. Sabbath were the underdogs, they were the bastard child of music at the time. But in a way its unfair to compare them as zep have propably got more in common with the stones. DAVe80 hand of doom is absolutely awesome. Everything about that song is just pure sabbath. Sabbath were years ahead of their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVTuco Posted March 23, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2014 Great guitar band overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrees Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 Great guitar band overall. And the man still tours, albeit a little bit the worse for vodka. With Herman Rarebell and Francis Bucholz on board as well last year, it was a great mixed set of Scorpions, UFO and MSG. If you like rock guitar playing, go and see Michael Schenker live. The man is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Yeah from what I've saw and heard he can play a few notes ha. For as good as your iommi's and page's of this world are I think a lot of guitarists don't get the recognition they deserve because they maybe don't have the discography to back them up like some have. I'm not a guitarist so I see things different to say someone who plays guitar. A guitarist can hear and spot things I would not. Ritchie blackmore for me was potentialy the greatest in my eyes. Absolute wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted March 23, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2014 Zeppelin were basically loud blues rock with forays into folk (though as Jones started to take over the musical direction and they became a bit more prog, they started to find themselves... That's why I'll take Zep's last four albums (not counting Coda) over their first four). Sabbath though took the loud blues rock, and replaced most of the blues with classical and jazz, without going prog. That makes them more musically interesting and inventive than Zeppelin, especially first four albums Zeppelin. Of course, between Sabbath and half of Zeppelin, the West Midlands is probably the most influential conurbation on the American (and by extension the Anglophone) rock world. I still prefer Dio to Ozzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Zeppelin were basically loud blues rock with forays into folk (though as Jones started to take over the musical direction and they became a bit more prog, they started to find themselves... That's why I'll take Zep's last four albums (not counting Coda) over their first four). Sabbath though took the loud blues rock, and replaced most of the blues with classical and jazz, without going prog. That makes them more musically interesting and inventive than Zeppelin, especially first four albums Zeppelin. Of course, between Sabbath and half of Zeppelin, the West Midlands is probably the most influential conurbation on the American (and by extension the Anglophone) rock world. I still prefer Dio to Ozzy. I could not of said it better. Although I'm not at all keen on zeps last album and presence is only saved by the epic achilles last stand and the heavy nobodys fault but mine. Coda was just a bunch of songs that never made the albums wernt it and was pretty lame. Graffiti was zeps best album imo. I think sabbath just edge them on albums if I'm honest. Your bang on about the classical and jazz remark. One trait I loved from sabbath was the tempo changes they used to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer1 Posted March 23, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2014 Definitely Ozzy era Sabbath > Zep for me. And I LOVE Zep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 23, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2014 My favorite LZ albums are LZ 2 and Houses of the Holy, closely followed by In Through the Out Door. Diversity, y'see. Don't have a favorite Sabbaff album, although I own the first four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 Houses is a very patchy album and I just don't get in through the out door but yeah zep are very diverse. If I had to pick an album from sabbath which I think you would like the most mooney it would be sabbath bloody sabbath although its obvious you aint a massive fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted March 23, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted March 23, 2014 You could be right. I've only heard one track from it - Spiral Architect - and I really liked it, very proggy. I'll investigate further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 (edited) The title track starts off with one of iommi's best riffs but then breaks into acoustic on a couple of occasions. Who are you is proggy and as you said spiral architect. Fluff is a really nice instrumental. The rest are guitar driven but not in the same way their first 4 albums were. Its quite diverse for sabbath. Very melodic in a way. A lot of different instrtuments were used including bag pipes on looking for today. As a piece of music its probably their best album. Edited March 23, 2014 by Rugeley Villa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted March 23, 2014 Author Share Posted March 23, 2014 P.s sabotage has its proggy moments and is again a different step forward from theit first 4 albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom_Wren Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Just booked tickets for the final tour........in Vegas, honest Guv it was the only weekend i wasn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dom_Wren Posted August 25, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2016 As mentioned got tickets for them next month and remember my mum saying my uncle used to roadie for them when they were just starting out. So I asked my mum if she could get any info as I might write to them as our Joey who roadies for them is not well. She sent this email back which didn't half make me smile: Hi Son You not gonna believe this Uncle Barry thinks it was Newtown Leisure Centre that they played at where Uncle Joey used to help them. Ozzy went to Prince Albert Junior School, Albert Road, Aston - same school as me & U. Barry but was a couple of years above me (he is 67, 68 in December). Barry had a job selling magazine subscriptions to win trips abroad and he went (with a Yorkshire girl) to Ozzy's house called Two Pines on the Worcestershire/Shropshire border (in the Midlands). Ozzy was spaced out but bought some mag subscriptions from them and asked if they wanted a cup of tea - Ozzy shouts "Sharon, Sharon come here", Sharon comes in and Ozzy says "Make these kids a cup of tea". Off she goes and comes back with a tray of tea and wasn't with them but a couple of minutes. Barry went back a year later to sell more (this time with his friend John Reilly) - Ozzy still spaced out and bought more mag subscriptions - Sharon comes in and says to Barry, "I've seen you, you've been here before"!!!!! Barry was gobsmacked and said, "No, it wasn't me, it was my twin - I'm trying to win a trip this time like my brother" Ozzy asked him where he came from, Barry says, Victoria Road, Aston, opposite the swimming baths and Ozzy says, "Do you know Barmy Joe, he used to hold us up by the phone box with pretend guns and ask for coupons". Barry denied knowing him, he was only 17-18 and was embarrassed. Ozzy gave him a signed copy of the Black Sabbath Albumn 4 with a personal message 'to Baz from Ozzy' but he's no longer got it. He also told Barry that once when he was in Texas? he was pissed and wanted to go down to the bar but Sharon hid all his clothes - he went down in one of her dresses ha ha ha ha. Mum xx 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 That's so cool Dom. Black sabbath are a band I hold very close to my heart and I feel very blessed to have connected to their music in the way I did. such a great band. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: That's so cool Dom. Black sabbath are a band I hold very close to my heart and I feel very blessed to have connected to their music in the way I did. such a great band. Yeah, I can remember getting connected. I went on a caravan holiday with my brother and his mates when I was a wee lad and one of the guys had some cheap ghetto-blaster from Dixons and he used to play the Paranoid album in the dark when they got back from the pub. In between the sound of the farts and the rain on the roof, I imagined the battle fields of War Pigs. It was my metal epiphany. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 5 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: That's so cool Dom. Black sabbath are a band I hold very close to my heart and I feel very blessed to have connected to their music in the way I did. such a great band. Who gave you permission to return from the nether world of shrubbery masturbation??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 6 hours ago, rjw63 said: Who gave you permission to return from the nether world of shrubbery masturbation??? Your still on here, I'm off for a few more months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted September 2, 2016 Author Share Posted September 2, 2016 I know there is one or two sabbath fans on here so what's their best album in your opinion and your top ten favourite songs? Best album for me is probably sabbath bloody sabbath and I shall have a think about my top ten favourite songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dAVe80 Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 I still like the first album the best. Just about to start work, so I'll come back to you on a top 10. Off the top of my head, Hand of Doom, NIB, and The Wizard will definitely feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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