Denis_B Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 You recon Swansea are paying massive wages? I recon we would be paying more. I reckon Michu, having just signed a new contract today is on more than anyone we signed in the Summer and more than we currently are able/willing to offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) Swansea are completely different though... they've had years of progression and developing a way of playing. Players who are very comfortable on the ball will walk straight into their team. Can you imagine Leon Britton playing in this Villa team? Bannan get's a lot of stick but Britton would get more, yet he's a key player for Swansea. Villa need stability and to develop a way of playing in the same way Swansea have. Unfortunately developing is easier when you have nothing to lose and you're a few divisions below. Such a project in the Premier League would almost certainly lead to relegation at some point. They are. But, do you believe that Lambert spent his summer funds wisely? Would it not have been better for us to have signed a winger like Hernandez and a creative midfielder like de Guzman over adding a 3rd RB and LB to our squad? We have no decent supply to our strikers, which is one of the reasons why Bent and Benteke can't play in the same team together. Edited January 23, 2013 by jacketspuds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Is he still here? I thought he would have been sacked and this thread locked by the time I logged on today! If **** only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 I reckon Michu, having just signed a new contract today is on more than anyone we signed in the Summer and more than we currently are able/willing to offer But he wouldn't have demanded a transfer if they didn't offer him a new deal 6 months after signing for them. He probably deserves a new contract for being an excellent signing and just wants parity with the other better players in the squad. He might be on more than we offer now but we shouldn't not sign players because they may ask for a pay rise if they actually perform well for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 (edited) I think one of his biggest problems is his ability to identify good signings. Benteke and Vlaar aside I'm not massively impressed with our summer dealings. Compare it to our Semi-Final counterparts Swansea and it makes for interesting reading. Villa IN - Bennett (£3m), Lowton (£3.5m), Westwood (£2m), Vlaar (£3.4m), KEA (£3m), Benteke (£7m), Bowery (£0.5m), Holman (Free) - TOTAL £23.4m Swansea IN - Michu (£2m), Chico (£2.2m), de Guzman (Loan), Bartley (£1.5m), Ki (£6m), Hernandez (£5.8m), Tiendalli (Free), Schecter (Loan) - TOTAL £17.5m There was no need to sign FB's when we already had 2 RB's and 2 LB's at the club. Players like Hernandez and de Guzman would create much more chances than we are managing at the moment. I'm not saying it's as simple as the above but personally I think Lambert is not very good in the transfer market. Holman wasn't a Lambert signing Guzan was Bowery was bought for the future and for peanuts Westwood, Vlaar, Benteke and Lowton would all command what we paid and look good VFM and have been arguably our best players Bennett and KEA have struggled so far - whether that is because they are bad buys or because they have come into a struggling side is too early to say. Bennett in particular is short of confidence and I hope will come good Warnock and Hutton are up for sale and were on their way out before Lambert joined - thats why he bought LB and RB Michu looks to be bargain of the decade but I'm not blaming Lambert for not identifying him. I doubt we could currently afford Ki or Hernandez wages and probably not Michu's either. As always with these things hindsight is 20:20 vision. Edited January 23, 2013 by VillaCas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForfarVillan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Been watching Dortmund since i moved here in 87', i remember seeing Lambert play, he was ok, but didn't settle and was described as distant and moody by fellow players, mmm, that hasn't changed. MOTM marking Zidane in the CL final. Had a good season but wanted to come back to Scotland, He's thought of highly there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquaddieVilla Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 MOTM marking Zidane in the CL final. Had a good season but wanted to come back to Scotland, He's thought of highly there If you read carefully what i wrote, 'he didn't settle', that translates into 'wanted to go back to Scotland', they remember him for the final yes, but he is no hero, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 There are a lot of sticks to beat Lambert with, but Vlaar, Benteke, Lowton, and Westwood for 15 million seems like a good bit of business to me. The problem is we need a big time player in the middle of the park, and that player costs a lot in terms of wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquaddieVilla Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Lets face facts, there isnt going to be a new signing, and there will be a mass exodus when/if we go down, think of that Dont think the following would stick around: Bentekke, Bent, Ireland, Vlaar, NZogbia, Holman, Given, and Dunne. You may say, ok that would reduce the wage bill, but look at the clubs who have disappeared into obscurity when relegated, Lambert is playing a dangerous game and risks losing attendances,fans and the club. Stick to NFL Randy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezzRexx Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 The only thing I blame Lambert for is the poor defending. His GF/GA record at Norwich shows that he's never been a defensive type manager, and his teams will let loads in. But they usually score a decent amount and pick up points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calcifer Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 We pick ourselves up and go again!!!!! Aaarrggghhh!!!!! I wish he would pick his p45 up and go forth!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Holman wasn't a Lambert signing Guzan was Bowery was bought for the future and for peanuts Westwood, Vlaar, Benteke and Lowton would all command what we paid and look good VFM and have been arguably our best players Bennett and KEA have struggled so far - whether that is because they are bad buys or because they have come into a struggling side is too early to say. Bennett in particular is short of confidence and I hope will come good Warnock and Hutton are up for sale and were on their way out before Lambert joined - thats why he bought LB and RB Michu looks to be bargain of the decade but I'm not blaming Lambert for not identifying him. I doubt we could currently afford Ki or Hernandez wages and probably not Michu's either. As always with these things hindsight is 20:20 vision. But do you think we needed a 3rd RB and LB in the squad? Really? I'm not just talking about signing Michu, instead I'm saying look at how far Swansea stretched their transfer budget. You're also guessing on the wages bit so it's all a matter of opinion on this point. I'm sure Westwood and Lowton will prove to be good signings in the future and, as I said, Vlaar and Benteke are good signings. However, I don't think we should have spunked £6.5m on fullbacks and then have no money to bring in a DM. Especially if there is no money left now for players in Jan. You are right with your hindsight comment though. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't think Lambert spent his limited budget well. No loans? People go on about our thin squad but we spunked 1/3 of our budget on fullbacks when we already had 4 in the squad. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereford-Villan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 But do you think we needed a 3rd RB and LB in the squad? Really? I'm not just talking about signing Michu, instead I'm saying look at how far Swansea stretched their transfer budget. You're also guessing on the wages bit so it's all a matter of opinion on this point. I'm sure Westwood and Lowton will prove to be good signings in the future and, as I said, Vlaar and Benteke are good signings. However, I don't think we should have spunked £6.5m on fullbacks and then have no money to bring in a DM. Especially if there is no money left now for players in Jan. You are right with your hindsight comment though. Still doesn't change the fact that I don't think Lambert spent his limited budget well. No loans? People go on about our thin squad but we spunked 1/3 of our budget on fullbacks when we already had 4 in the squad. Bizarre. I think the club has said that we will not pay the wages of other clubs players anymore hence no loans. As villacas said Westwood, Vlaar, Benteke and Lowton have arguably been our best players. We needed a RB for definite, A LB as nothing we had was any good. KEA was getting rave reviews by the media at the start of the season but has gone off the boil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezzRexx Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Still think KEA will come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Still think KEA will come good. Theres people who still think Ireland will come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Still think KEA will come good. Not a chance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TezzRexx Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Theres people who still think Ireland will come good Irelands had close to 3 years though, KEA has had a couple of months in a shit(ter) team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyroc Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Stop blaming lack of funds you don't need money to beat Bradford over two legs ,lambert just ain't got a clue you can see it in his face the man is lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Theres people who still think Ireland will come good only his missus surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForfarVillan Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 If you read carefully what i wrote, 'he didn't settle', that translates into 'wanted to go back to Scotland', they remember him for the final yes, but he is no hero,back in yer cage I was agreeing with you on that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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