Manager Paul Lambert

[LondonLax]

I have just been reading the Spurs forums for laugh and amusingly there are Spurs fans calling for AVB to be sacked and replaced with Lambert

Edited December 15, 2013 by LondonLax

[HeyAnty]

So does anyone think in January we will be trying to actually make worthwhile signings or just more scratching around for bargains. Is the cost cutting over? Will it ever be over? I am not for reckless spending, but if we don't balance our youthful transfer policy with the occasional high profile higher cost transfer gamble then we will be permanently flirting with relegation every season.

I think we will be checking down the back of the sofa again

Anyone feel they are being played as fools? We wont spend what we need to. Championship players as usual Edited December 15, 2013 by HeyAnty

[StefanAVFC]

I have just been reading the Spurs forums for laught and amusing;y there are Spurs fans calling for AVB to be sacked and replaced with Lambert

 

No way

 

Link?

[LondonLax]

 

I have just been reading the Spurs forums for laught and amusing;y there are Spurs fans calling for AVB to be sacked and replaced with Lambert

 

No way

 

Link?

 

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/3867-***The-Official-AVB-Discussion-Thread***/page217

[mikeyp102]

Poor coaching is one possibility I suppose, although the same coaches have improved Delph or Clark or Vlaar or Westwood

Playing devils advocate but you could argue that vlaar and Clark have improved due to get used to the prem (coming from foreign/youth leagues respectably). You could also argue that Delph has improved because he is now fully match fit after being out with long term injuries. Finally you could also say that Westwood hasn't improved as he still is poor off the ball.

[VillaCas]

So does anyone think in January we will be trying to actually make worthwhile signings or just more scratching around for bargains.

Is the cost cutting over? Will it ever be over?

 

I am not for reckless spending, but if we don't balance our youthful transfer policy with the occasional high profile higher cost transfer gamble then we will be permanently flirting with relegation every season.

 

That's the problem - unless RL has a massvie change of heart, it's a £10k a week, £2m bargain buy if we're lucky or a loanee if we're not when what we need is a couple two £6-7m midfielders with experience and quality

 

When we don't sign two players of that quality it will be Lambert who carries the can as usual

 

[Mantis]

 

 

I have just been reading the Spurs forums for laught and amusing;y there are Spurs fans calling for AVB to be sacked and replaced with Lambert

 

No way

 

Link?

 

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/3867-***The-Official-AVB-Discussion-Thread***/page217

 

People want to sack AVB but then hire Lambert????

What with all the spanking HE has overseen??

With the way HE chose not to play experienced players like Bent, Dunne and Ireland?

 

You can criticise Lambert for a lot of things but that is just **** stupid. Wish people would stop eating the shit the media feed to them about Villa.

[Risso]

 

 

Whilst I agree that Lerner is 'the making' of the problem I would suggest that if Lambert is doing everything he knows to put things right that he doesn't actually know enough.

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion.  My opinion is that there are few if any managers who could do a better job with the resources available - if we agree that resources are very limited, I feel we need to support someone who is willing to trash their reputation, whilst going the hard yards to put things right

 

Lambert wasn't my first choice (I would have prefered OGS or Poyet - choices that actually I now feel would have been worse) but for the good of the club I feel we need to get behind someone for a sustained period.

 

Any manager would struggle cobbling a team together from lower league bargain buys - if we were to bring another guy in, we would have to wait three or four windows for him to 'rebuild' , during which time we would be bottom half of the table and everyone on here would be calling for his head.

 

 

He's had £43m to spend over 2 years.  Not a fortune, but enough to at least get a team capable of playing halfway decent football, and he's failed to do that.  He also failed to get anything out of most of the players who were here, which if he had done, would have made his money go further.  His transfers have mostly been atrocious, that midfield today was abysmal, and they're all his buys.  He's also spent money on the likes of Bowery, Helenius and Kozak which could all have been better spent elsewhere.  That's the thick end of £10m gone right there on players who haven't made a shred of difference.

[VillaCas]

 

Poor coaching is one possibility I suppose, although the same coaches have improved Delph or Clark or Vlaar or Westwood

 

Playing devils advocate but you could argue that vlaar and Clark have improved due to get used to the prem (coming from foreign/youth leagues respectably). You could also argue that Delph has improved because he is now fully match fit after being out with long term injuries. Finally you could also say that Westwood hasn't improved as he still is poor off the ball.

 

 

You could argue that of course. Personally I think it's a knee-jerk reaction to say our coaching staff is poor - perhaps they are really crap but more likely they are on a par with most other middling to bottom half clubs

 

The problem is the lack of cash which translates into a lack of depth and quality

[Big_John_10]

Excellent point.

Even if lambert stays he will have to rebuild. Our squad is pretty pathetic and just full of average players.

During his first transfer window while many were very happy with what we were doing i asked why other clubs weren't doing the same if it was clearly a good approach. I guess we're seeing why other clubs didn't just sign cheap foreign and lower league players.

Even if lerner decides to increase spending this squad needs a lot of work doing to it.

 

BJ, Ive agreed with a lot of your posts recently. Surely you must understand that Lambert took the approach he has precisely because funds went not available??

 

He wanted Sissoko - too expensive, He wanted Kiyotake - too expensive, Apparently he wanted Lukaku and Barry - too expensive

 

His only option was to sign younger players and be forced to play a style that although not esthetically pleasing is effective enough to retain our premiership status whilst the books are balanced.

 

The fact he has no money is bullshit but he is trying to make the best of the situation, expecting that in the medium term pursestrings will be loosened

 

This is a problem of Lerner's making - let him carry the can not Lambert who his doing everything he knows to put things right

I think lambert has made some poor decisions with transfers but he's clearly restricted by the wages he can offer.

He wanted better and our owner wouldn't allow it.

[foreveryoung]

Gaby not scoring, Wiemann off the pace, Benteke not scoring, Kozak, did we need him??? Ohh, and please don't mention our non existent midfield. But its all because Lerner wouldn't spend. Strike me down if were saying it may have something to do with Lamberts coaching abilities.

[Big_John_10]

Whilst I agree that Lerner is 'the making' of the problem I would suggest that if Lambert is doing everything he knows to put things right that he doesn't actually know enough.

 

You're entitled to your opinion.  My opinion is that there are few if any managers who could do a better job with the resources available - if we agree that resources are very limited, I feel we need to support someone who is willing to trash their reputation, whilst going the hard yards to put things right

 

Lambert wasn't my first choice (I would have prefered OGS or Poyet - choices that actually I now feel would have been worse) but for the good of the club I feel we need to get behind someone for a sustained period.

 

Any manager would struggle cobbling a team together from lower league bargain buys - if we were to bring another guy in, we would have to wait three or four windows for him to 'rebuild' , during which time we would be bottom half of the table and everyone on here would be calling for his head.

 

He's had £43m to spend over 2 years.  Not a fortune, but enough to at least get a team capable of playing halfway decent football, and he's failed to do that.  He also failed to get anything out of most of the players who were here, which if he had done, would have made his money go further.  His transfers have mostly been atrocious, that midfield today was abysmal, and they're all his buys.  He's also spent money on the likes of Bowery, Helenius and Kozak which could all have been better spent elsewhere.  That's the thick end of £10m gone right there on players who haven't made a shred of difference.

Risso you can't ignore the wages. Quality players are not coming to us for the money the likes of westwood and sylla are on.

[Rovers13]

The one comment about Lambert is spot on though, he hasn't been the same at Villa as he was at Norwich.

[Mantis]

The one comment about Lambert is spot on though, he hasn't been the same at Villa as he was at Norwich.

Two completely different situations.

[samjp26]

 

 

 

Whilst I agree that Lerner is 'the making' of the problem I would suggest that if Lambert is doing everything he knows to put things right that he doesn't actually know enough.

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion.  My opinion is that there are few if any managers who could do a better job with the resources available - if we agree that resources are very limited, I feel we need to support someone who is willing to trash their reputation, whilst going the hard yards to put things right

 

Lambert wasn't my first choice (I would have prefered OGS or Poyet - choices that actually I now feel would have been worse) but for the good of the club I feel we need to get behind someone for a sustained period.

 

Any manager would struggle cobbling a team together from lower league bargain buys - if we were to bring another guy in, we would have to wait three or four windows for him to 'rebuild' , during which time we would be bottom half of the table and everyone on here would be calling for his head.

 

 

He's had £43m to spend over 2 years.  Not a fortune, but enough to at least get a team capable of playing halfway decent football, and he's failed to do that.  He also failed to get anything out of most of the players who were here, which if he had done, would have made his money go further.  His transfers have mostly been atrocious, that midfield today was abysmal, and they're all his buys.  He's also spent money on the likes of Bowery, Helenius and Kozak which could all have been better spent elsewhere.  That's the thick end of £10m gone right there on players who haven't made a shred of difference.

 

 

£43m divided by 16 incoming players = £2,687,500 per player.

 

How many teams have spent that sort of money on so many players? How many teams have spent that sort of money on so many players yet are mid table in the Premier League nearing the half way point of the season?

 

People need to stop seeing this big shiny £43m figure and realise the extremity of what Lambert has HAD to do with his overhaul. I'm pretty sure when he arrived that he would have been told not only will you be getting this budget but you MUST overhaul the squad and get rid of X Y Z as we do not want to be paying such high wages anymore.

Edited December 15, 2013 by samjp26

[Shaw_nuff]

Living in London I can tell you all that Villa is pretty much anonymous down here.

 

Nobody talks about us (unless I bring Villa up in the conversation) and nobody cares about us. We are dire and predictable. On the odd occasion that I've talked about Villa it just raises contempt for the football we play. It's actually come to a point that my work colleagues think the premier league would be better off without this great club.

 

I really hope that Lerner and Lambert know what they're doing with this five year plan because I've seen better 'progress' from pub teams.

 

Our one-dimensional hit and hope counter attack has been well and truly sussed now so expect a torrid second half of the season. I think we'll beat relegation by a whisker again.

 

Oh, and for those who think that league position is the only indicator of progress (which it isn't) think about this: We are six points from third from bottom but fourteen points from Third.

[AndyM3000]

 

 

I have just been reading the Spurs forums for laught and amusing;y there are Spurs fans calling for AVB to be sacked and replaced with Lambert

 

No way

 

Link?

 

http://www.glory-glory.co.uk/showthread.php/3867-***The-Official-AVB-Discussion-Thread***/page217

 

 

I will swap Lambert with AVB all day long.

 

I cant believe what im reading. Eye catching football? Playing the right way? Christ, they haven't seen us much. Palace play better football than we do.

[TJVillan]

Living in London I can tell you all that Villa is pretty much anonymous down here.

 

Nobody talks about us (unless I bring Villa up in the conversation) and nobody cares about us. We are dire and predictable. On the odd occasion that I've talked about Villa it just raises contempt for the football we play. It's actually come to a point that my work colleagues think the premier league would be better off without this great club.

 

I really hope that Lerner and Lambert know what they're doing with this five year plan because I've seen better 'progress' from pub teams.

 

Our one-dimensional hit and hope counter attack has been well and truly sussed now so expect a torrid second half of the season. I think we'll beat relegation by a whisker again.

 

Oh, and for those who think that league position is the only indicator of progress (which it isn't) think about this: We are six points from third from bottom but fourteen points from Third.

 

Don't entirely agree with your negativity but as a fellow Londoner, I can back you up there - Villa are of no interest to the vast majority of football fans in London, unless you are mates with a villa fan you are not going to be bothered about them.

 

Better football and better players are the only way to change that.

[Shaw_nuff]

I love how people say we're going backwards. If we had a football team full of superstar players, or even some real quality footballers, I'm sure we would be playing a different style of football.

 

We don't though, we have an average of £2.5m spend per player if are to believe that we have spent around £40m. That isn't a lot of money at all compared to other teams and in turn you get what you pay for. 

 

The same people that moan about the players we have are the ones that moan about the style of play, what do you expect? I'd rather we're 11th place, grafting out results, keeping some clean sheets and so on rather than trying to impress people with dazzling football that the team aren't capable of doing consistently, in turn leading us to a relegation scrap if not an actual relegation. See Martinez at Wigan as people have already stated.

 

Maybe the silky football will come, but it won't be anytime soon because of the money that Lambert has to work with. Now he has built his skeleton, his squad, hopefully he can begin to add some quality bit by bit which will then hopefully lead us to a team that plays the way many of us would love to see.

 

For now though, points on the table are the most important thing, we do not want to be pulled into a relegation scrap.

La la land. We are in a relegation fight - look at the crud we play and then look at the points instead of the position.

[Mantis]

I think the style of football is being exaggerated. It's become a bit of a "thing" now and people seem to slate the type of football we play regardless of how we actually play.