mwj Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 So **** what? Why does a running a football club in the UK involve periodically blowing your load and then waiting for some rich Saudi prince to ride in on a horse and save the day every 10 years? Why are other countries able to run sports business in a professional and profitable manner (I'm thinking NBA, NFL, etc). Its not rocket science, you spend less than you earn. You probably won't win the league (even then there are exceptions though, Hoffenheim, Lille, Twente etc) but if you want to win the league then you're a Man City or Chelsea supporter anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 17 minutes ago, mwj said: So **** what? Why does a running a football club in the UK involve periodically blowing your load and then waiting for some rich Saudi prince to ride in on a horse and save the day every 10 years? Why are other countries able to run sports business in a professional and profitable manner (I'm thinking NBA, NFL, etc). Its not rocket science, you spend less than you earn. You probably won't win the league (even then there are exceptions though, Hoffenheim, Lille, Twente etc) but if you want to win the league then you're a Man City or Chelsea supporter anyway That's pretty much what we have been doing. It's working splendidly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 27 minutes ago, mwj said: So **** what? Why does a running a football club in the UK involve periodically blowing your load and then waiting for some rich Saudi prince to ride in on a horse and save the day every 10 years? Why are other countries able to run sports business in a professional and profitable manner (I'm thinking NBA, NFL, etc). Its not rocket science, you spend less than you earn. You probably won't win the league (even then there are exceptions though, Hoffenheim, Lille, Twente etc) but if you want to win the league then you're a Man City or Chelsea supporter anyway Correct, not rocket science IF you understand English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: That's pretty much what we have been doing. It's working splendidly. Yeh obviously, considering we're still trying to get McLeish-era players off their £25 million pound contracts and spending 0 in a transfer window. Sounds like a rock solid P+L to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, mwj said: 5 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: Correct, not rocket science IF you understand English football. Yeh obviously, considering we're still trying to get McLeish-era players off their £25 million pound contracts and spending 0 in a transfer window. Sounds like a rock solid P+L to me. You guys are dreaming. We are Aston Villa, we have been left behind. We are not Arsenal, we don't and will never have £1000 season tickets, million pound match day revenues, we don't and never will have top class commercial links. The world does not care about us. Our sole income is TV money. The same TV money that ever single club in this league picks up. To be successful in this league, to push on we never a benefactor. The TV deal is a huge amount of money but gives us zero advantage over the other 19 teams that would receive it playing in the PL. It is all well and good saying spend less than you make, but how does that work when all the others club are making more than us? When the other clubs have billionaire owners willing to put money into their club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Float on the stock exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 4 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: You guys are dreaming. We are Aston Villa, we have been left behind. We are not Arsenal, we don't and will never have £1000 season tickets, million pound match day revenues, we don't and never will have top class commercial links. The world does not care about us. Our sole income is TV money. The same TV money that ever single club in this league picks up. To be successful in this league, to push on we never a benefactor. The TV deal is a huge amount of money but gives us zero advantage over the other 19 teams that would receive it playing in the PL. It is all well and good saying spend less than you make, but how does that work when all the others club are making more than us? When the other clubs have billionaire owners willing to put money into their club? What are Leicester doing then ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted February 2, 2016 Administrator Share Posted February 2, 2016 I don't believe we as a group of fans could afford to pay to run VillaTalk without adverts, let alone buy a football club. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just now, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: What are Leicester doing then ? Is that the Leicester city that signed Sven in the Championship and spent tens of millions of their own money getting promoted? Right, yes, supporter buyout makes perfect sense now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Just now, rodders0223 said: Is that the Leicester city that signed Sven in the Championship and spent tens of millions of their own money getting promoted? Right, yes, supporter buyout makes perfect sense now. I don't think the buy out could work either btw. Just saying that a well run football club can at least survive which in reality is the best we can ever hope for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said: I don't think the buy out could work either btw. Just saying that a well run football club can at least survive which in reality is the best we can ever hope for. Just had a look and if the figures are legit Leicester have spent £45m net since getting promoted. Signings like Mahrez come along once in a lifetime. Their owner is worth $2b and I would be very suprised if they are running at a profit. Edited February 2, 2016 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, rodders0223 said: Just had a look and if the figures are legit Leicester have spent £45m net since getting promoted. Signings like Mahrez come along once in a lifetime. This is what I mean though, Benteke is almost the same. If we were a proper run club the supply to a big number 9 is probably the most important thing we needed to sort out, the midfield that was feeding Benteke was ridiculous, equivalent of Michael J fox spoon feeding a bouncing baby tomato soup in a car on a cattle grid. My point is, this is not rocket science but because of previous errors made and the lack of any forward thinking we **** it up and have not been in a position to capitalise on the diamond players we might sign. All we were effectively was a warm up spot for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 Of course you can, it depends entirely how you run your business and the lines of credit you have open. Its just a bloody business, same as every other one. It's a big business for a few thousand football fans to run by committee. Unless, as stated, you have a CEO in mind? What if he turns out to be a knob, or a crook, just hire another one right? Who makes that decision? Do you have experience running businesses of this size? Maybe you want the job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 To be honest, if we can't even have a civil conversation in this thread about it I'm unlikely to want to dissolve my own business and invest in a football club with any of you's! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amsterdam_Neil_D Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: To be honest, if we can't even have a civil conversation in this thread about it I'm unlikely to want to dissolve my own business and invest in a football club with any of you's! Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 We could all become Mad Men and try and sell the club ourselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 At the moment the club is not worth buying. We really are in the shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwj Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 19 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: It's a big business for a few thousand football fans to run by committee. Unless, as stated, you have a CEO in mind? What if he turns out to be a knob, or a crook, just hire another one right? Who makes that decision? Do you have experience running businesses of this size? Maybe you want the job! Thousands of publically traded companies manage to be run by committee ever day, they manage to appoint CEO's that aren't crooks (generally) and not go broke (generally) and even even post profits (generally). Ok generally the "committee" is smaller than tens of thousands, usually only 10s or 100s of significant shareholders, but they still manage to run AGM's & make voting decisions in an orderly manner. Actually maybe Randy should just re-list the club. We get our say in how its run, he'll recoup a good portion of his investment and everyone is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 23 hours ago, mwj said: Yes it will be affected in the sense that a different set of management are employed by the supporters to run the club. I really don't agree with your second paragraph. Just because half the teams are running at a loss doesn't mean every team has to run at a loss. It *IS* a business just like any other business, you have revenue and outgoings and you make sure you spend less than you earn. Doug managed to do it for 20 **** years, including in the PL TV money era. It isn't, because 15% of the clubs in the league every single year are removed and replaced and have to make do with vastly lower sums the next year. Clubs aren't in a position to stand still, account carefully and make a small profit every year. Any of the bottom 13 teams that tries that will be joining us in the second tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 21 hours ago, mwj said: So **** what? Why does a running a football club in the UK involve periodically blowing your load and then waiting for some rich Saudi prince to ride in on a horse and save the day every 10 years? Why are other countries able to run sports business in a professional and profitable manner (I'm thinking NBA, NFL, etc). Its not rocket science, you spend less than you earn. You probably won't win the league (even then there are exceptions though, Hoffenheim, Lille, Twente etc) but if you want to win the league then you're a Man City or Chelsea supporter anyway They never get relegated, they bribe city governments to build massive new stadia at the taxpayer's expense, and they have created a system of 'millionaire's socialism' which means that at the start of each season, every team has a theoretical chance of winning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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