BOF Posted September 24, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 24, 2013 Well he's also had the car. Its not like hes had to fight through poor car performance. His drive in that sense has not been tested. Its easy to carry on when theres no challenge racking up wins etcThat ignores his flawless performances and the mental strength to continue to perform at that level. In a way it would be easier to reach that level by being pushed. That he can do it consistently and stay motivated after 3 years of it is a quality in itself that many sportsmen and women do not possess. We shouldn't play down the ability to continually stay at the top once you've had the ability to get there in the first place. But people often do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Very true. Being a "one-hit wonder" is one thing, keeping up performance levels consistently so you become the dominant person in your field for a long time is much less easy. The mental strength and lifestyle discipline that requires marks out the true greats from the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Vettel likes to 'own' records like fastest lap, most poles, most laps lead etc don't you know... as opposed to all the other drivers who are happy being crap. The commentators seem to mention this several times in every race, annoys the shit out of me. *this is possibly written in the wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 26, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2013 Footage of Webber's taxi ride (best to watch before FOM inevitably get it taken down). Gotta say it was dangerous and Warwick is right when he says it is not health & safety gone mad. That if it had occurred in a safer manner then there would not have been a problem. Technically the 'taxi ride' itself was not what was punished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Agreed, that was very dangerous indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Down with that sort of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted September 27, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted September 27, 2013 I shall do this, but as somebody who has the memory of a goldfish, I might need a nudge (holiday from Friday, so will make a note to do it then!)Ahem! *Cough* *splutter* *fart* etc... Come on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 2, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 2, 2013 Ayrton Senna's death still haunts designer Adrian Newey Ayrton Senna's death still haunts designer Adrian Newey Design legend Adrian Newey says he is still troubled by Ayrton Senna's death in one of his cars 19 years ago. Red Bull's Newey was chief designer at Williams when the three-time world champion was killed in a crash during the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix. "What happened that day, what caused the accident, still haunts me to this day," he told BBC Sport. Newey said "no-one will know" whether the accident was caused by driver error or steering-column failure. The Brazilian suffered fatal head injuries in a crash at the 190mph Tamburello corner at Italy's Imola race track on 1 May 1994. Newey and Patrick Head, Williams technical director at the time, were prosecuted in Italy for manslaughter but eventually acquitted. The prosecution argued a poorly manufactured modification to the steering column had caused it to fracture and break at the crucial moment. Williams said all the data pointed to a driver error caused by Senna pushing too hard over bad bumps in a corner made more challenging than normal by the handling problems the car was suffering from at the time. "The steering column failure, was it the cause, or did it happen in the accident?" said Newey, speaking in an exclusive interview to be broadcast on 5 live F1 on Thursday. "There is no doubt it was cracked. Equally, all the data, all the circuit cameras, the on-board camera from Michael Schumacher's car that was following, none of that appears to be consistent with a steering-column failure. "The car oversteered [when the rear tried to spin] initially and Ayrton caught that and only then did it go straight. "But the first thing that happened was oversteer, in much the same way as you will sometimes see on a superspeedway in the States - the car will lose the rear, the driver will correct, and then it will go straight and hit the outside wall, which doesn't appear to be consistent with a steering-column failure." Newey said he was still upset by the knowledge Senna joined Williams to win a fourth title and the car they gave him was not initially up to the job. He was killed in his third race for the team. "There was an aura about him, something that's difficult to describe. He most certainly had a presence," Newey said of Senna. "I guess one of the things that will always haunt me is that he joined Williams because we had managed to build a decent car for the previous three years and he wanted to be in the team he thought built the best car - and unfortunately that '94 car at the start of the season wasn't a good car. "Ayrton's raw talent and determination... he tried to carry that car and make it do things it really wasn't capable of. "And it just seems such a shame and so unfair he was in that position. And then, of course, by the time we did get the car sorted, he wasn't with us any longer." Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel is poised to pass Senna's mark of three titles this season - the German heads into this weekend's Korean Grand Prix with a 60-point lead over his closest rival, Ferrari's Fernando Alonso, with only 150 still available in the remaining six races. But Newey, 54, said it was "completely unfair" to compare drivers he had worked with in his long career. Asked if he felt Vettel, still only 26, could match Schumacher's record of seven titles, Newey said: "Yes, of course it would be fantastic if Sebastian could go on to eclipse Michael's record. But that doesn't necessarily define greatness. "When we talk about the all-time greats, the names of Ayrton Senna, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, they come up, as well as Michael of course, [Juan Manuel] Fangio of course, all those names jump to mind. "Some of them have had, in terms of championships, a fraction of the success of Michael. "So there is that intangible thing that defines greatness, which isn't simply results. And I think what Sebastian is well on the way to doing is establishing himself as one of the all-time greats." Listen to 5 live F1's Adrian Newey special on Thursday at 21:00 BST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Another procession coming up tomorrow, I fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Yep. Roll on 2014. Who knows, maybe there will be a storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Yaaaaaawn. Probably still get up early to watch it in the morning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
privateer Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Been a few incidents so far but it seems the result will be the same old same old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeroGabe Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Descent race. Better than most of them so far. Vettel with another victory but some of the racing was really good, and Hulkenberg is a huge talent I loved seeing him fight for 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodders Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Hulkenburg racing for that Lotus seat I guess - assuming Lotus resolve their funding issues. Only followed a bit whilst watching MOTD in the am, still going to give the highlights package a miss. Seems the tyres are still awful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted October 6, 2013 Share Posted October 6, 2013 Surely this is Mclaren's worst season ever? They have yet to register a podium and they have a highest finish of 5th. I can see Mclaren under going a huge clear out over the summer with twitmarsh and Button both leaving. Twitmarsh has been a disaster and has overseen some of the worst seasons in Mclaren's history. Button has shown he is unable to lead a team and is incredibly over rated by the British press. Perez will probably stay because of the huge financial backing he brings to the team but it will be interesting to see who comes in over the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Button has singed his deal, Perez is in limbo from rumours over the weekend. Whitmarsh will be lucky if is still in a job come the start of next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 7, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2013 If you're going to have a bad year you may aswell have one the year before a huge change in the rules. That way, there's less chance of it carrying over into the next one. Having said that, McLaren need to sort themselves out for next season. They're allowed one bad year. They won't be allowed to have 2 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Button has shown he is unable to lead a team and is incredibly over rated by the British press. He has scored 54 of the 81 points McLaren have scored this season in a car which is no where near being competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 10, 2013 Author Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2013 The latest theory on why we hear funny noises from the Red Bull. Red Bull using KERS for traction? Another theory about Sebastian Vettel's late-season dominance has emerged. Rumours in Korea last weekend spoke of a clever but legal engine mapping system aboard his Red Bull that mimics the benefits of banned traction control. Now, Spain's El Confidencial has reported burgeoning rumours that the Adrian Newey-penned RB9, which in Vettel's hands has won the last four grands prix on the trot, is in fact somehow deploying its KERS system to enhance cornering traction. The rumours, which date back to Singapore last month, say Red Bull could have linked KERS to suspension sensors, with the engine being subsequently 'dragged' through the process of energy harvesting. The report made a potential link between the system and the fact that Red Bull tends to have frequent reliability problems with its KERS units. Mark Webber said immediately after retiring in Korea that "there was a KERS fire", but Red Bull later said it was caused by oil leaking onto the exhaust after the crash with Adrian Sutil. Newey, meanwhile, played down the link between Red Bull's KERS system and its superior traction. "I doubt the gain is from KERS," he is quoted by Racecar Engineering. "We, like everyone, do work on how to best deploy it, but I think everyone is similar in how they use it," added Newey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Descent race. I'd definitely watch a descent race. Much more exciting than the current F1 tedium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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