AstonMartin82 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Going nowhere. The Norwich game will pass, the CL final will take place, the summer will come - there will be the Euros/Olympics, AMcL will add a few additions, the kit would have been released, and people will be eagerly awaiting the start of a new season. This nightmare will almost be a distant memory. The dust would have settled and the anger levels will have well and truly subsided. We're football fans. It's what we do. Until the middle of August when, if McLeish is still manager, the nightmare will being again. And the kit won't have been released because of some cock up in a factory as the manufacturers don't take Villa seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheltenham_villa Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I sadly think'll he stay. The Blackburn situation concerns me, they sang for his head almost every match, he got them relegated in the end (fans proved right) yet he is still there and set to continue! They even sacked the CEO for suggesting Keane should be fired. Hopefully Randy isn't as stubborn or stupid as the Venkey's. While im not defending Mcleish, for every Steve Keane that the fans wanted out and were right about there is an Alex Ferguson and a Alan Pardew. Fans shouldnt make decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 If we stick with McLeish we will once again sign shit players on long, over-inflated contracts (for their ability) and we will continue to be in this mire for years to come. Just swap Beye, Heskey, Sidwell and Davies for Hutton, Zigic, Henry and Wheater. Ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I sadly think'll he stay. The Blackburn situation concerns me, they sang for his head almost every match, he got them relegated in the end (fans proved right) yet he is still there and set to continue! They even sacked the CEO for suggesting Keane should be fired. Hopefully Randy isn't as stubborn or stupid as the Venkey's. While im not defending Mcleish, for every Steve Keane that the fans wanted out and were right about there is an Alex Ferguson and a Alan Pardew. Fans shouldnt make decisions. And neither should Lerner. Or Faulker. We **** if the fans don't have a voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 We **** if the fans don't have a voice. It depends. Ashley seemed intent on pleasing the fans with managerial appointments and it ended in relegation. Then he sacked a man that Newcastle fans liked and appointed someone they didn't and they're on the verge of CL football. Owners may not always know best, but fans certainly don't either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Id trust Mrs Woodytom with choosing the manager more than the Villa fans. She says Manseeeney by the way Or him thats right northern!! - That could be Mcleish :shock: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 We **** if the fans don't have a voice. It depends. Ashley seemed intent on pleasing the fans with managerial appointments and it ended in relegation. Then he sacked a man that Newcastle fans liked and appointed someone they didn't and they're on the verge of CL football. Owners may not always know best, but fans certainly don't either. Agreed, but if Villa went with the majority on the last couple of managerial appointments we wouldn't have had the shambles of Houllier or the embarrassment and boredom of McLeish. Fans can debate about managers till kingdom come, but the one thing I can be sure of is I have zero confidence in both Lerner and Faulkner in appointing someone good for Villa. McLeish out. Faulkner out. Lerner out. In that order... nice people, but have proven they are incapable of running a football club... tattoo or no tattoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The last game Tottenham for example. I was there, this is the game Heskey missed a sitter and Dunne wrecklessy handed them their equaliser Take those individual errors out, we've won How is that the manager fault The more you sit back and defend, the more likely your defenders will make a mistake, other than that Dunne was brilliant, and the more you defend the more you rely on your strikers to take the odd opertinity they get. All McLeish's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Moyes was the fans favourite 12 months ago He was also Lerners nr 1 choice but he didn't want to leave everton for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 We was 1-0 up. McLeish decides to defend even against 10 this will always be suicide we have proved this all season but someone never learns. If we pressured them with 10 just with a little attacking intent I believe that game could have been won. but it was the story of McLeish, get this knob out our club please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Don't disagree he needs to go, but be replaced properly, not a rushed, panicky martinez type appointment Also clear out the rotten apple players finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oaks Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The last game Tottenham for example. I was there, this is the game Heskey missed a sitter and Dunne wrecklessy handed them their equaliser Take those individual errors out, we've won How is that the manager fault The more you sit back and defend, the more likely your defenders will make a mistake, other than that Dunne was brilliant, and the more you defend the more you rely on your strikers to take the odd opertinity they get. All McLeish's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The last game Tottenham for example. I was there, this is the game Heskey missed a sitter and Dunne wrecklessy handed them their equaliser Take those individual errors out, we've won How is that the manager fault a good chance but not a sitter for heskey and remember the goal we scored was pretty fortunate. speculatative shot that took a huge deflection. take out that piece of luck and weve lost. we were at home, playing against 10 men for an extended period of time, and yet we created nothing. tottenham completely dominated because we sat back and made no attempt to attack. instead of an attacker or midfielder coming on for hutton, and warnock and lichaj reverting to their natural positions, we ended up with 3 CBs, (one at RB), a RB at LB and a LB in midfield. that is the managers fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa75 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The last game Tottenham for example. I was there, this is the game Heskey missed a sitter and Dunne wrecklessy handed them their equaliser Take those individual errors out, we've won How is that the manager fault Bringing another defender on against ten man was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Season ticket sales alone will be the bullet that finishes Mcleish. No manager can survive the staggering acheivement of single handedly driving away 10,000 season ticket holders. Thats his Comp. package right there. UTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I'm not defending him, the 7 defenders in the starting XI is not on I'm just saying the players should not get off Scot free for this abortion of a season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I'm not defending him, the 7 defenders in the starting XI is not on I'm just saying the players should not get off Scot free for this abortion of a season CI, wake up. Okay some are not at there best. But they have hardly been given the chance to shine with McLeish negativity. Its hard to play with the tactics McLeish employs. See how far Bent was tracking back before he was injured??? Alot is to do with motivation, something McLeish has not been able to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Sorry, you cannot blame the manager for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENTLEMAN Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 The last game Tottenham for example. I was there, this is the game Heskey missed a sitter and Dunne wrecklessy handed them their equaliser Take those individual errors out, we've won How is that the manager fault The more you sit back and defend, the more likely your defenders will make a mistake, other than that Dunne was brilliant, and the more you defend the more you rely on your strikers to take the odd opertinity they get. All McLeish's fault. As mentioned by the previous fellow, its a matter of chance. Statistic analysis tells us if you are put in a position 100 times there is a greater chance of a selected outcome materialising. For instance, if you was to defend a chance on goal 100 times compared to 10 times the possibility of conceding would be greatly increased. This does not even factor in the affect of mental and physical tiredness after said number of completions. Nothing to do with luck, rub of the green, the footballing gods etc. If anything the opposite is true, if you are in 100 defensive situations then you are 'lucky' not to concede. The same principle applies to attempts on goal. Granted the higher quality of player results in less negative outcomes but this is less of a factor when playing similar ability (Premier league) opposition. During the non-winning streak, Alex was asked by a sky reporter how he was going to win the next game. He was totally dumbfounded, stumbled and bumbled then blurted out "cut out individual errors", you cannot 'coach out' individual errors just merely alter tactics to reduce the amount of situations players may find themselves in to make errors (defending) and increase the chance creation situations (attacking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Season ticket sales alone will be the bullet that finishes Mcleish. No manager can survive the staggering acheivement of single handedly driving away 10,000 season ticket holders. Thats his Comp. package right there. UTV. Has the club given any indication on what season ticket uptake is like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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