AshVilla Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Tick Tock Counting down the days until his contract runs out and he's no longer at this football club I really hope we are not relegated as i think we will be stuck with him which will be worse than Relegation itself People are saying Westwood was just as bad i can count the amount of bad games Westwood has had on 1 hand if i had to count the amount of bad games Bannan has had however i would need a **** Abacus Westwood has just joined us from a league one club and has shown more in the few months that he has been here than Bannan has in the four years that he has been here The difference between the pair quality wise is Chalk and cheese as far as I'm concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 You guys pick on me for using statistics. At least I use real statistics, not guesses, to inform my opinion of the player. BTW I did watch the game, not just the highlights. Westwood also was dispossessed during the game - twice - Sylla too, three times. Bannan does not only pass backwards, 64% of the time he passes forwards. In contrast to a more defensive midfielder, Delph only passes forwards 51% of the time, El Ahmadi 55% of the time. That is a real statistic, not a guess based on my inherent bias, which you can check for yourself here. Its also a useless one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bannan earned the right to play. He was no worse than Westwood yesterday or Baker yet he gets the pelters from certain posters. I agree though next week at stoke play a midfield 3 of Sylla Westwood Delph I don't think anyone would deny that. I too agree that his performances against Reading and QPR gave him the right to stay in the team. Similarly just how his performances played him into the team, his performance yesterday was bad enough to take him out of the team IMO. I too hope that the midfield against Stoke is Sylla, Westwood and Delph. Whilst none of these players yesterday were good they have proven to be more consistent over the course of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Bloody awful player. Please leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2013 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Opta have published some stats on crossing. Most Successful Crosses from open play And Highest Percentage of Successful Crosses It's really strange... but Barry "Best Crosser in the Premier League[1]" Bannan doesn't feature. Weird. [1] Con 2013 Edited April 4, 2013 by Stevo985 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Opta have published some stats on crossing. Most Successful Crosses from open play And Highest Percentage of Successful Crosses It's really strange... but Barry "Best Crosser in the Premier League[1]" Bannan doesn't feature. Weird. [1] Con 2013 They must have a filter that excludes Bannan from the list. Bannan is still on about 40%. Edit: the filter is minimum starts. Bannan has 12 starts. The others are about +19 starts. Edited April 4, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2013 To be fair to you, WhoScored does actually back you up. I'd be interested to see (but it's impossible to I would imagine) Opta's raw data. Anyway, none of this changes my opinion that Bannan isn't very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 To be fair to you, WhoScored does actually back you up. I'd be interested to see (but it's impossible to I would imagine) Opta's raw data. Anyway, none of this changes my opinion that Bannan isn't very good. WhoScored data is based on Opta, and other sources. Disagree with your opinion on Bannan. Is becoming a top player. Crossing ability - which as notable in comparison to the other top crosses - is just one indication of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 4, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted April 4, 2013 I'm not engaging in a debate, because you're obviously engrained in your oinion that he's a very good player and I can't be bothered to try and fruitlessly back up my point. I'll just say that I very much disagree with you. He's not a top player and I'm not convinced he ever will be. Although, as usual, I'll be thrilled if he proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Why is a central midfielder being judged on crosses? He hardly ever crosses or gets in a position to cross successfully anyway. I think we're a very narrow team full stop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Bannan's one assist this season came from a cross when he was on the left wing side of the penalty box. When we are chasing the game and dominating possession close to the box we should put Bannan on the wing. Bennett has put in a few nice crosses but when he gets forward to do so we leave a gap behind which can be exploited if his cross is off target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilbertoAVFC Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Some of the lamenting of young players on this board is just boring and embarrassing. It doesn't remotely help having such a negative attitude towards inexperienced players looking for confidence in order to keep us in the league. Get behind the team - every one of them. The Champions League winning central midfielder for a manager sees him every day and knows more about what is needed in that position than everybody in this thread put together. I suspect if he didn't have such a large number of people waiting for him to fail at Villa Park every week he'd be more successful in his role. Get a grip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 When we are chasing the game and dominating possession close to the box we should put Bannan on the wing. Yeah, good luck with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge-AVFC Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Bannan's one assist this season came from a cross when he was on the left wing side of the penalty box. When we are chasing the game and dominating possession close to the box we should put Bannan on the wing. Bennett has put in a few nice crosses but when he gets forward to do so we leave a gap behind which can be exploited if his cross is off target. Tbf when Scotland played Lithuania a few years ago, Bannan was out on the wing and was really top class that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Thanks for that. Good video. Lithuania are a large, physical side. Bannan can play against any opposition and as the statistics show, has great passing range. He needs little defending, except for the fact when we lose he always gets the blame, even when he has nothing to do with any of the goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Hopefully someone will be stupid enough to sign him this summer. Can't remember the last time I wanted a player to leave the club so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 I find it hard to be positive about him, but I do think he was decent in the reading(?) match. Against liverpool he was shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwan Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Shame I liked him when he first started. Now I just can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted April 4, 2013 Share Posted April 4, 2013 Thanks for that. Good video. Lithuania are a large, physical side. Bannan can play against any opposition and as the statistics show, has great passing range. He needs little defending, except for the fact when we lose he always gets the blame, even when he has nothing to do with any of the goals. He's an honest player, attitude ok, generally works hard, and i've nothing against him. Played well against Reading, and QPR, less so against Liverpool, but not at fault for everything. Unfortunately he's not decent Premier League standard and never will be, Championship or SPL is more his level. We have few options in the middle at the moment, and i guess thats why he gets games. The fans are on his back in home games, and i cant see he has a future here, he's had enough chances. But he's a symptom not the cause of our recent decline. Out of interest have you been to any games at Home or Away this season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Just a question... If a winger is trying to cross the ball to a striker who has a good chance of heading the ball at goal, except he misses the cross completely and the ball somehow ends up at the other side of the box to one of our players (but far away from goal and far away from danger) - is that a "successful" cross? And what about the winger who hits a sublime cross around the stoppers, only for the striker to stumble and miss the ball and open net completely, is that a bad cross in this statistic? Crossing is about creating dangerous situations, a great cross could be easily tucked away by a stopper if the striker makes a poor run or hides away or whatever. My opinion is that Barry Bannan is a woeful crosser of the ball, he clearly has a neat touch but in high pace Premier League-games he completely tumbles. I would bet my car on the fact that he is the best in training when it comes to crossing and free-kicks into open nets, but in a PL-game he seldom creates anything at all. Sure he might "hit" one of our players inside the box, but chances are few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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