Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) The idea you can find a statistic to prove anything is a myth. Lambert is the top crosser among players with more than 19 starts. Bannan is the top crosser among players with more than 100 crosses. Neither of those statements are false. Edited April 6, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Please please say he is on the bench today. If he doesn't bring Delph in for this powderpuff for Stoke away then you have to question Lambert's tactics. (not that i think Sylla is particularly fantastic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) The more combative Delph could come in for Bannan today but after Lambert's comments during midweek about referees unfairly giving our young players cards, not so sure. Game is going to be reffed by card-happy Clattenberg. Stoke are going to be fired up. Does Lambert think there could be a red in this clash? If so he wouldn't play Delph... you'd play the bait for them to get the cards... Bannan or N'Zogbia. Either of those two. Edited April 6, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The idea you can find a statistic to prove anything is a myth. Lambert is the top crosser among players with more than 19 starts. Bannan is the top crosser among players with more than 100 crosses. Neither of those statements are false. Strange! My impression is that Bannan always hits a cross to just get rid of the ball, since he is woeful going forward with it. Whipping in crosses, very few resulting in chances or assists. Only two assists to his name this season, kind of tells the story. Only one of those were crosses I think, when Clark scored against Newcastle. Got an assist vs. Reading a few weeks ago, but you can hardly call a stumbled finish in the post an assist. I have nothing against Bannan, but he is in my opinion the weakest player we are fielding consistently in the league. The Premier League is no place for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The idea you can find a statistic to prove anything is a myth. Lambert is the top crosser among players with more than 19 starts. Bannan is the top crosser among players with more than 100 crosses. Neither of those statements are false. You can very easily argue what constitutes a successful cross. The fact that everytime I see Bannan cross the ball it is totally ineffective, and given that he has crossed the ball over 100 times yet only has 1 assist to his name tells us all that the definition behind what a successful cross is on these stats you keep posting is a load of absolute shit and can not be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The idea you can find a statistic to prove anything is a myth. Lambert is the top crosser among players with more than 19 starts. Bannan is the top crosser among players with more than 100 crosses. Neither of those statements are false. Strange! My impression is that Bannan always hits a cross to just get rid of the ball, since he is woeful going forward with it. Whipping in crosses, very few resulting in chances or assists. Only two assists to his name this season, kind of tells the story. Only one of those were crosses I think, when Clark scored against Newcastle. Got an assist vs. Reading a few weeks ago, but you can hardly call a stumbled finish in the post an assist. I have nothing against Bannan, but he is in my opinion the weakest player we are fielding consistently in the league. The Premier League is no place for him. Bannan has 1 assist to his name. Fluffing an open goal doesn't constitute an assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Matt Jarvis has 170+ crosses this season, 40 successful, and no assists. Bad crossing or bad striking or bad luck? Edit: Bannan's assist was against Newcastle. A cross from the left side penalty area to Clark. Edited April 6, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 The more combative Delph could come in for Bannan today but after Lambert's comments during midweek about referees unfairly giving our young players cards, not so sure. Game is going to be reffed by card-happy Clattenberg. Stoke are going to be fired up. Does Lambert think there could be a red in this clash? If so he wouldn't play Delph... you'd play the bait for them to get the cards... Bannan or N'Zogbia. Either of those two. I hear you. I think Delph has been unfair in a few of his bookings to be honest. Then again, he can be very rash. I just feel he was a plus for us before his suspension. I think CM is where we are really struggling this season. Yes, of course we have defensive frailties, but we get overran every game even with 3 cm playing. We are not blessed with options in all honesty. Delph could get carded, Bannan shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 and N'Zogbia has had one half decent game in 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 If we play Sylla and he gets an booking we can sub him for Delph, and vice-versa. If we play them both because we want them to be combative and either or both get booked early by being combative, then they're as either neutralised for the rest of the game because they're being less combative, or they're going to get sent off. Against a team like Stoke, we can't play both Sylla and Delph without high risk of a red. Especially with Clattenberg as the ref (sent Torres off, didn't he?). Tricky N'Zogbia would be idea, I think. I'd probably play Bannan as well because they have one of the smallest pitches in PL, and set pieces will probably win or lose the game. If there are any goal at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 What a dilemna? Delph will be lucky to see out the 90mins in what should be a very physical game......and Bannan will spend all afternoon feeding Robert Huth! Holman may figure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Bannan's set pieces are bloody awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 As are his crosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 (edited) Bannan is bloody awful. Edited April 6, 2013 by Swerbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Matt Jarvis has 170+ crosses this season, 40 successful, and no assists. Bad crossing or bad striking or bad luck? Edit: Bannan's assist was against Newcastle. A cross from the left side penalty area to Clark. Average player, below average team and poor strikers. Jarvis is usually a pretty good crosser of the ball, a bit like Ashley Young when he was at the Villa - when he turns from the left back to the right and swings it in. I have to admit I haven't seen any of West Ham's games this season, so I don't know why he is not delivering the goods so to speak. Especially as Carroll is up there sneaking around. The game of crossing (a la Beckham) is a forgotten trade though, I just love it when I see a deep run and a perfectly timed cross for someone to head it in. Not many of those these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Didn't realise this existed. http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/2/Seasons/3389/Stages/6531/PlayerStatistics/England-Premier-League-2012-2013 This is the actual link to the statistics for all players in the PL compiled together. Move to the tab "Passing" then click "C" for crossing. Bannan is 4th on their rating system, but if you scroll over you are given the actual number and can work out the percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanvilla_1994 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 So what? Nicky Shorey is top, should we bring him back because the stats say he is the best crosser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 I looked at his player dashboard on Fourfourtwo for about 10 games, as expected he played centrally. He often plays diagonal balls into the box, I can only imagine whoscored are deeming these as crosses??? Maybe that's why so little have turned into actual assists, except the one at Newcastle surprise surprise which came from deep. Anyway dropped for today. Not on the bench either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstonMartin82 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Bannan not even on the bench today against Stoke. Lambert obviously had the same impression of his performance as 95% of the Villa fans last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 How would Shorey have performed managed by Lambert? That's a discussion for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Not even on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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