Rob182 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 We backed ourselves into a corner by leaving it so late and put all the power in his court.If the power is in his court, then where is the ball? In his hands? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Fair and realistic are different things. This is one of the hottest prospects in British football. And he's out of contract in the summer. What is he being offered by Chelsea? Well first of all what is he worth? Young skilful English player. Probably quite a lot. I would not be overly surprised if, were he in the middle of a contract, he was subject to bids in the range of £10-15 million. Luke Shaw moved for 30 million and he's a left back... Yeah he has had a full season in the premier league, but that's why Jack is more of a risk and therefore worth less. People have been aware of Grealish for a long time. So let's say £12 million. Over the course of this 5 year contract that he has apparently been offered this 12 million current valuation will need to be paid, because he either gets it from us, or he'll get it from lets say Chelsea. Over the course of that contract, the 12 million amounts to 50 grand per week. And that's just the money that Chelsea would have to pay so someone else if they wanted to buy someone in contract, not the money then that they would have to pay this player in wages. The player is unlikely to play for free just because Chelsea paid his former team a large transfer fee. So Mr Grealish will not be offered 8k/week. 8k per week would put his valuation at close to £1.5 million pounds. Why would he sign that contract if Villa could turn around in the summer and say to Chelsa here, you can have this guy for £8 million, because the idiot agreed to sign that contract with us which didn't reflect his market value? No one wanted Barry Bannan when he was offered £20k. There is a question of him getting Premier League game time which means that he would likely be willing to be on less money at Villa than at Chelsea, but this could be his one big contract. Football is fickle. He'll want to make the most of it, and if offered the obscene contract at Chelsea versus the money here over a 5 year contract, he may think he'll go out on loan for a season, for his first team experience, while he earns the 50k. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Fair and realistic are different things. This is one of the hottest prospects in British football. And he's out of contract in the summer. What is he being offered by Chelsea? Well first of all what is he worth? Young skilful English player. Probably quite a lot. I would not be overly surprised if, were he in the middle of a contract, he was subject to bids in the range of £10-15 million. Luke Shaw moved for 30 million and he's a left back... Yeah he has had a full season in the premier league, but that's why Jack is more of a risk and therefore worth less. People have been aware of Grealish for a long time. So let's say £12 million. Over the course of this 5 year contract that he has apparently been offered this 12 million current valuation will need to be paid, because he either gets it from us, or he'll get it from lets say Chelsea. Over the course of that contract, the 12 million amounts to 50 grand per week. And that's just the money that Chelsea would have to pay so someone else if they wanted to buy someone in contract, not the money then that they would have to pay this player in wages. The player is unlikely to play for free just because Chelsea paid his former team a large transfer fee. So Mr Grealish will not be offered 8k/week. 8k per week would put his valuation at close to £1.5 million pounds. Why would he sign that contract if Villa could turn around in the summer and say to Chelsa here, you can have this guy for £8 million, because the idiot agreed to sign that contract with us which didn't reflect his market value? No one wanted Barry Bannan when he was offered £20k. There is a question of him getting Premier League game time which means that he would likely be willing to be on less money at Villa than at Chelsea, but this could be his one big contract. Football is fickle. He'll want to make the most of it, and if offered the obscene contract at Chelsea versus the money here over a 5 year contract, he may think he'll go out on loan for a season, for his first team experience, while he earns the 50k. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Grealish will not be offered between 35k and 50k IMO, my guess is 20k and then a review at the end of the season for a potential rise. By all accounts it will hopefully be wrapped up by the end of the week. Edited October 7, 2014 by SikhInTrinity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Fair and realistic are different things. This is one of the hottest prospects in British football. And he's out of contract in the summer. What is he being offered by Chelsea? Well first of all what is he worth? Young skilful English player. Probably quite a lot. I would not be overly surprised if, were he in the middle of a contract, he was subject to bids in the range of £10-15 million. Luke Shaw moved for 30 million and he's a left back... Yeah he has had a full season in the premier league, but that's why Jack is more of a risk and therefore worth less. People have been aware of Grealish for a long time. So let's say £12 million. Over the course of this 5 year contract that he has apparently been offered this 12 million current valuation will need to be paid, because he either gets it from us, or he'll get it from lets say Chelsea. Over the course of that contract, the 12 million amounts to 50 grand per week. And that's just the money that Chelsea would have to pay so someone else if they wanted to buy someone in contract, not the money then that they would have to pay this player in wages. The player is unlikely to play for free just because Chelsea paid his former team a large transfer fee. So Mr Grealish will not be offered 8k/week. 8k per week would put his valuation at close to £1.5 million pounds. Why would he sign that contract if Villa could turn around in the summer and say to Chelsa here, you can have this guy for £8 million, because the idiot agreed to sign that contract with us which didn't reflect his market value? No one wanted Barry Bannan when he was offered £20k. There is a question of him getting Premier League game time which means that he would likely be willing to be on less money at Villa than at Chelsea, but this could be his one big contract. Football is fickle. He'll want to make the most of it, and if offered the obscene contract at Chelsea versus the money here over a 5 year contract, he may think he'll go out on loan for a season, for his first team experience, while he earns the 50k. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Has someone hit you over the head? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Fair and realistic are different things. This is one of the hottest prospects in British football. And he's out of contract in the summer. What is he being offered by Chelsea? Well first of all what is he worth? Young skilful English player. Probably quite a lot. I would not be overly surprised if, were he in the middle of a contract, he was subject to bids in the range of £10-15 million. Luke Shaw moved for 30 million and he's a left back... Yeah he has had a full season in the premier league, but that's why Jack is more of a risk and therefore worth less. People have been aware of Grealish for a long time. So let's say £12 million. Over the course of this 5 year contract that he has apparently been offered this 12 million current valuation will need to be paid, because he either gets it from us, or he'll get it from lets say Chelsea. Over the course of that contract, the 12 million amounts to 50 grand per week. And that's just the money that Chelsea would have to pay so someone else if they wanted to buy someone in contract, not the money then that they would have to pay this player in wages. The player is unlikely to play for free just because Chelsea paid his former team a large transfer fee. So Mr Grealish will not be offered 8k/week. 8k per week would put his valuation at close to £1.5 million pounds. Why would he sign that contract if Villa could turn around in the summer and say to Chelsa here, you can have this guy for £8 million, because the idiot agreed to sign that contract with us which didn't reflect his market value? No one wanted Barry Bannan when he was offered £20k. There is a question of him getting Premier League game time which means that he would likely be willing to be on less money at Villa than at Chelsea, but this could be his one big contract. Football is fickle. He'll want to make the most of it, and if offered the obscene contract at Chelsea versus the money here over a 5 year contract, he may think he'll go out on loan for a season, for his first team experience, while he earns the 50k. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Has someone hit you over the head? What part do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Fair and realistic are different things. This is one of the hottest prospects in British football. And he's out of contract in the summer. What is he being offered by Chelsea? Well first of all what is he worth? Young skilful English player. Probably quite a lot. I would not be overly surprised if, were he in the middle of a contract, he was subject to bids in the range of £10-15 million. Luke Shaw moved for 30 million and he's a left back... Yeah he has had a full season in the premier league, but that's why Jack is more of a risk and therefore worth less. People have been aware of Grealish for a long time. So let's say £12 million. Over the course of this 5 year contract that he has apparently been offered this 12 million current valuation will need to be paid, because he either gets it from us, or he'll get it from lets say Chelsea. Over the course of that contract, the 12 million amounts to 50 grand per week. And that's just the money that Chelsea would have to pay so someone else if they wanted to buy someone in contract, not the money then that they would have to pay this player in wages. The player is unlikely to play for free just because Chelsea paid his former team a large transfer fee. So Mr Grealish will not be offered 8k/week. 8k per week would put his valuation at close to £1.5 million pounds. Why would he sign that contract if Villa could turn around in the summer and say to Chelsa here, you can have this guy for £8 million, because the idiot agreed to sign that contract with us which didn't reflect his market value? No one wanted Barry Bannan when he was offered £20k. There is a question of him getting Premier League game time which means that he would likely be willing to be on less money at Villa than at Chelsea, but this could be his one big contract. Football is fickle. He'll want to make the most of it, and if offered the obscene contract at Chelsea versus the money here over a 5 year contract, he may think he'll go out on loan for a season, for his first team experience, while he earns the 50k. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Has someone hit you over the head? What part do you disagree with? All of it, pretty much. Are you a football agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 to put that in to perspective (from various sources, take the accuracy with a pinch of salt) - loftus cheek - £15k Ake - £20k Chalobah - £30k Andreason - £20k Bamford - £8k McEachran - £38k Atsu - £12k at a lazy guess jack has more premier league appearances than all of those put together, if we offer Grealish £8k a week Chelsea will blow us out of the water without battering an eyelid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If Chelsea wanted to buy a Grealish equivalent that was in contract he would cost £12 million. Let's call him Stephen Downing who plays for Sunderland and has two years left on his contract. Because Grealish is out of contract, he will get a good portion of that 12 million pounds. He owns himself and therefore he will get the transfer fee. If Chelsea won't pay it, someone else will and then Chelsea will have to shell out the £12 million anyway on Stephen Downing He may also then expect to get the money that Chelsea would be paying Stephen Downing as wages every week. So let's compare the two players. Both worth £12 million but Downing is in the middle of his contract and Grealish is coming to the end of his. In the eyes of Villa fans it would go something like this Stephen Downing - 12 million pounds plus 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£16 million pounds Jack Grealish - Free because he's already at the club. 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£4 million Does anyone see why Jack might reckon that the £12 million shortfall here might be worked into his contract negotiations in deciding what the cost to the club should be of him being on their books for the next 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I think between £8k to £10k per week would be a fair wage for our most promising youngster. Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Has someone hit you over the head? What part do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) to put that in to perspective (from various sources, take the accuracy with a pinch of salt) - loftus cheek - £15k Ake - £20k Chalobah - £30k Andreason - £20k Bamford - £8k McEachran - £38k Atsu - £12k at a lazy guess jack has more premier league appearances than all of those put together, if we offer Grealish £8k a week Chelsea will blow us out of the water without battering an eyelid Yeah and signing those contract done wonders for their careers didn't they. Mceachran is finished and Chalobah has had about 6 billion clubs in a year that have all sacked him off. If Chelsea want to pay obscene money for a bit of potential then let them, we don't have an oil barren financing us. £35k for a 19 year old Grealish is madness. Edited October 7, 2014 by rodders0223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I don't think he's one of the hottest prospects in British football. At a first team level, he currently has potential, but not much else. Luke Shaw (and other players of that standard) have proven themselves at a higher level than friendlies and U21 football, Jack hasn't. I think £15-£20k would be a reasonable wage for a promising youngster in our squad. A few years ago Albrighton, Delfouneso and Bannan all looked to be decent youngsters, but none have lived up to their true potential (in my opinion). Jack could do the same, so we'd be crazy to give him high wages on the assumption that he would reach his full potential and then be worth what Chelsea/ Man Utd/ Man City might want to pay us for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If Chelsea wanted to buy a Grealish equivalent that was in contract he would cost £12 million. Let's call him Stephen Downing who plays for Sunderland and has two years left on his contract. Because Grealish is out of contract, he will get a good portion of that 12 million pounds. He owns himself and therefore he will get the transfer fee. If Chelsea won't pay it, someone else will and then Chelsea will have to shell out the £12 million anyway on Stephen Downing He may also then expect to get the money that Chelsea would be paying Stephen Downing as wages every week. So let's compare the two players. Both worth £12 million but Downing is in the middle of his contract and Grealish is coming to the end of his. In the eyes of Villa fans it would go something like this Stephen Downing - 12 million pounds plus 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£16 million pounds Jack Grealish - Free because he's already at the club. 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£4 million Does anyone see why Jack might reckon that the £12 million shortfall here might be worked into his contract negotiations in deciding what the cost to the club should be of him being on their books for the next 5 years? What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adw95 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If Chelsea wanted to buy a Grealish equivalent that was in contract he would cost £12 million. Let's call him Stephen Downing who plays for Sunderland and has two years left on his contract. Because Grealish is out of contract, he will get a good portion of that 12 million pounds. He owns himself and therefore he will get the transfer fee. If Chelsea won't pay it, someone else will and then Chelsea will have to shell out the £12 million anyway on Stephen Downing He may also then expect to get the money that Chelsea would be paying Stephen Downing as wages every week. So let's compare the two players. Both worth £12 million but Downing is in the middle of his contract and Grealish is coming to the end of his. In the eyes of Villa fans it would go something like this Stephen Downing - 12 million pounds plus 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£16 million pounds Jack Grealish - Free because he's already at the club. 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£4 million Does anyone see why Jack might reckon that the £12 million shortfall here might be worked into his contract negotiations in deciding what the cost to the club should be of him being on their books for the next 5 years? If this is the case he could ask for a 3 year contract at well over 70,000 per week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 to put that in to perspective (from various sources, take the accuracy with a pinch of salt) - loftus cheek - £15k Ake - £20k Chalobah - £30k Andreason - £20k Bamford - £8k McEachran - £38k Atsu - £12k at a lazy guess jack has more premier league appearances than all of those put together, if we offer Grealish £8k a week Chelsea will blow us out of the water without battering an eyelid Yeah and signing those contract done wonders for their careers didn't they. Mceachran is finished and Chalobah has had about 6 billion clubs in a year that have all sacked him off. If Chelsea want to pay obscene money for a bit of potential then let them, we don't have an oil barren financing us. £35k for a 19 year old Grealish. I have never read so much drivel in my life. that would leave him £65k a week poorer than luke shaw... arguing about football wages is utterly pointless, there's no such thing as value or worth anymore, there is going rate, and the the going rate is set by clubs with far too much money and then filters down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Oxlade Chamberlain Shaw Prowse Chambers Sterling Barkley These are top top teenage talents, that are able to command those salaries. Jack isn't even close to them at the minute, I doubt he is asking for £35k, I hope not, but for people on here to try and justify that is absurd. Truly absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YLN Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 If Chelsea wanted to buy a Grealish equivalent that was in contract he would cost £12 million. Let's call him Stephen Downing who plays for Sunderland and has two years left on his contract. Because Grealish is out of contract, he will get a good portion of that 12 million pounds. He owns himself and therefore he will get the transfer fee. If Chelsea won't pay it, someone else will and then Chelsea will have to shell out the £12 million anyway on Stephen Downing He may also then expect to get the money that Chelsea would be paying Stephen Downing as wages every week. So let's compare the two players. Both worth £12 million but Downing is in the middle of his contract and Grealish is coming to the end of his. In the eyes of Villa fans it would go something like this Stephen Downing - 12 million pounds plus 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£16 million pounds Jack Grealish - Free because he's already at the club. 20k/week over 5 years = Cost to the club of ~£4 million Does anyone see why Jack might reckon that the £12 million shortfall here might be worked into his contract negotiations in deciding what the cost to the club should be of him being on their books for the next 5 years? What are you talking about? Again, what is it you don't agree with? Do you just get very exasperated when someone makes a point you don't agree with without actually trying to see if maybe it has some validity. The only question here is whether or not we think that if Grealish was in contract, there is a premier league team that would be willing to pay £12 million to buy him off us. I say there would be. I say he has been brought to the attention of enough top scouts that there is a Chelsea or an Arsenal out there that would be willing to pay that price for him to be on their team. That is the only contentious issue. The rest is just how contract negotiations would play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Oxlade Chamberlain Shaw Prowse Chambers Sterling Barkley These are top top teenage talents, that are able to command those salaries. Jack isn't even close to them at the minute, I doubt he is asking for £35k, I hope not, but for people on here to try and justify that is absurd. Truly absurd. chamberlain - £50k Shaw - £100k Prowse - £18k Chambers - £10k Sterling - £30k (and apparently in talks over a £100k deal) Barkley - £60k so our best youth prospect being on £35k doesn't seem that daft to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Oxlade Chamberlain Shaw Prowse Chambers Sterling Barkley These are top top teenage talents, that are able to command those salaries. Jack isn't even close to them at the minute, I doubt he is asking for £35k, I hope not, but for people on here to try and justify that is absurd. Truly absurd. chamberlain - £50k Shaw - £100k Prowse - £18k Chambers - £10k Sterling - £30k (and apparently in talks over a £100k deal) Barkley - £60k so our best youth prospect being on £35k doesn't seem that daft to me These players are light years ahead of where Jack is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 'Our best' and the hottest british prospects are different though. Bannan and Albrighton were amongst 'our best' prospects. Should we have given them £35k or above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Jack Grealish will be offered somewhere between 35k-50k/week. Ok, even I wouldn't condone that. About £15k-£20k is reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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