KentVillan Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, tom_avfc said: Bairstow has won us far more matches with his aggressive lower middle order batting than he’s lost us with his keeping under Stokes and McCullum. He’s been guaranteed runs down there as his average will show. Yeah I think moving Bairstow to opener would be a mistake for this reason. I guess when you work through all the permutations, the decision not to pick Foakes makes sense, but it’s a shame for him. It’s also just nice to watch a really top class keeper doing his thing, magicking a wicket out of nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 On the highlights of that Robinson wicket, he seems to mouth (and if someone can lip read, please correct me ) "Yesssss, **** off - you **** prick", which is a bit disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, tom_avfc said: Bairstow had an average of 66 from 19 innings last year and scored 78 in the first innings here. Given that foakes averages 32 I don’t think it’s wild to assume Bairstow would score far more runs over a 5 test series. It then becomes a question as to which batsman you drop to bring in Foakes and I don’t think there’s an obvious choice there either really. You’d have said Crawley before this game but he batted nicely. Duckett was in great form going into this series but looked poor first innings. If you drop an opener I don’t think there’s an obvious choice to move up to open either. I don’t expect them to bring Foakes in. Bairstow took a great catch to get rid of Labuschagne and generally has been a serviceable wicket keeper albeit not top class like Foakes. I think Bazball values the fast runs that the likes of Crawley, Duckett and Bairstow can make more than the couple of missed opportunities. True , but for those 19 innings that you refer to Bairstow notably wasn’t keeping wicket for most / all of them , which suggests he’s better as a specialist batsman ? so the argument around selecting Bairstow should possibly be is he better than Brooks or Pope ? do we get more runs out of Bairstow and play a specialist wicket keeper who won’t put down easy chances or do we bat deeper but allow the opposition more chances … the selectors have gone with the first option , hopefully they are right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 36 minutes ago, bickster said: Cried that one in, well done Three wickets since I posted that. An absolute masterclass from myself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, KentVillan said: What would stop us from taking one of the openers out, and then shifting the rest of the order up 1? So Bairstow at 6, Foakes at 7… I dont think Pope is an opener tbh so not sure about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Rodders said: I'd open with Bairstow. He'll be hit and miss too up there, but his hits will be more destructive and effective. Appreciate he is great in the middle order, but he just can't keep well enough. good last half hour recovery from England here I could have sworn I saw Bairstow opening for England at Lords many years ago so presumably he has played that role … but we kinda gambled the other year with Jason Roy playing that big hitting opener role v the Aussies and it failed big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Superb captaincy again with unconventional field placings getting into the Aussies’ heads , set up nicely for an explosive afternoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: True , but for those 19 innings that you refer to Bairstow notably wasn’t keeping wicket for most / all of them , which suggests he’s better as a specialist batsman ? so the argument around selecting Bairstow should possibly be is he better than Brooks or Pope ? do we get more runs out of Bairstow and play a specialist wicket keeper who won’t put down easy chances or do we bat deeper but allow the opposition more chances … the selectors have gone with the first option , hopefully they are right Yeah I guess batting deeper allows the batsmen to play with a bit more freedom and attacking intent too. You can afford for Duckett, Pope, Brook and Stokes not to make 50 in the first innings here because Crawley, Root and Bairstow all did. If you start removing batsmen then we may lose some of the “Bazball” intent. Its impossible to say even in hindsight whether it’s the right decision. If Foakes comes in at 176-5 and we don’t get the 100 run partnership that Bairstow was there for we could have been all out for around the 250- 275mark. There’s too many variables to really know whether it’s for the best but I think the way we’re looking to play favours batting as deep as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 Currently pissing down in Solihull. 78% chance of rain in Edgbaston around now according to BBC weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 Not rained here for over half an hour and The Patio is totally dry now and has been for some time. They always take too long to get back out. Usually just in time for the next rain to come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Thunder and lightning in Cannock, it’s absolutely belting down here. Looks like play resumes at 15:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said: Superb captaincy again with unconventional field placings getting into the Aussies’ heads , set up nicely for an explosive afternoon That field for the Khawaja wicket. He probably looked at that and thought ‘f##k this nonsense I’m done’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, bobzy said: On the highlights of that Robinson wicket, he seems to mouth (and if someone can lip read, please correct me ) "Yesssss, **** off - you **** prick", which is a bit disappointing. Don’t mind that, wouldn’t be an Ashes series without a bit of that. No doubt he’ll get it back at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Don’t mind that, wouldn’t be an Ashes series without a bit of that. No doubt he’ll get it back at some point Nah, I don't mind the sledging etc. but that's absolutely classless after a knock of 140+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, av1 said: Thunder and lightning in Cannock, it’s absolutely belting down here. Looks like play resumes at 15:30. So bloody annoying. Thunder and dark clouds here to. 10 minutes of rain takes them off for an hour and a half. They'll be back out for 10 minutes max then that will probably be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 And yep, here is the rain. Utter monsoon. They can can get on the covers and get players off in 2 minutes but takes 1.5hrs to get them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Bowlers looking very dangerous now. Bazball going to be tested properly now you can’t just waft the bat at every delivery Great catch by Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) Horrible to bat in these conditions I would imagine. This is exactly what we wanted for them really. Edited June 18, 2023 by sidcow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 18, 2023 Moderator Share Posted June 18, 2023 @Milfnersay something FFS, use the power 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted June 18, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted June 18, 2023 If they get what we've just had there will be no more play today. Our side passage totally flooded, we've been bailing it out before it breaches the step and floods the utility. Tesco Monkspath is evacuated and closed as its a foot underwater. I expect New Road in Worcester is probably submerged by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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