hogso Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) Haven't seen it, but All Out is rated higher at the moment than All In on Cagematch - which is kind of extraordinary given the circumstances. I really must try and keep up with AEW. Edited September 4, 2023 by hogso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, hogso said: Haven't seen it, but All Out is rated higher at the moment than All In on Cagematch - which is kind of extraordinary given the circumstances. I really must try and keep up with AEW. I watched it and thats bizarre as all all in was 10x better than all out. Also the atmosphere was dead in Chicago. Obviously the whole punk episode. Surprisingly there was hardly any cm punk chants from what i heard Edited September 4, 2023 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 19 hours ago, Demitri_C said: If thats the case i hope punks career is over. Khan gave him a opportunity to revive his failed career and thats how he repays him. clearing in the woods. Failed UFC figher, failed aew Good riddance I don't think you're being very fair here. Punk has obviously handled things very badly, but there's more to this than has been mentioned here. Many people backstage had asked Jack Perry not to do the spot with real glass, and he wasn't having it. They asked Punk to say something to him, which he did, and then Perry not only does the spot but also mocks Punk with his "Cry Me A River" comment on live TV directly afterwards. If I was Punk I'd be very annoyed that not only did Perry mock him, but also not do what he'd been told by the management and bookers. Tony Khan's lack of control and the lack of fallout for anything backstage for previous incidents has led to this. Punk is obviously a ship's cat, but AEW backstage is unprofessional and disorganized. This has been proven time and again and is beyond dispute. I don't think its in any way fair Punk is being made the scapegoat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: I don't think you're being very fair here. Punk has obviously handled things very badly, but there's more to this than has been mentioned here. Many people backstage had asked Jack Perry not to do the spot with real glass, and he wasn't having it. They asked Punk to say something to him, which he did, and then Perry not only does the spot but also mocks Punk with his "Cry Me A River" comment on live TV directly afterwards. If I was Punk I'd be very annoyed that not only did Perry mock him, but also not do what he'd been told by the management and bookers. Tony Khan's lack of control and the lack of fallout for anything backstage for previous incidents has led to this. Punk is obviously a ship's cat, but AEW backstage is unprofessional and disorganized. This has been proven time and again and is beyond dispute. I don't think its in any way fair Punk is being made the scapegoat. Yes and no So what if perry mocked CM punk? You cant keep acting like a hooligan and then have the owner of the company be put in danger. He is notorious for falling out with people. Not with the elite in aew but in wwe too. He also was rude to regal and called him a 'triple h stooge' jungle boys been punished as well so thats him for his part. The part i do agree with you on is how unorgansied and badly run the company is. Khan needs stop acting like a weak fanboy and someone that owns the company with strong leadership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: So what if perry mocked CM punk? You cant keep acting like a hooligan and then have the owner of the company be put in danger. He is notorious for falling out with people. Not with the elite in aew but in wwe too. He also was rude to regal and called him a 'triple h stooge' jungle boys been punished as well so thats him for his part. I did say Punk was out of order the way he reacted, but his frustration is understandable, in my opinion. He was asked by the management team to have a word with Perry as he wasn't listening to them, and then Perry does it anyway. I don't get why anyone would have a problem with Regal, it's another example of how much of a loudmouth Punk is. I agree with you wholeheartedly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jonesy7211 said: I did say Punk was out of order the way he reacted, but his frustration is understandable, in my opinion. He was asked by the management team to have a word with Perry as he wasn't listening to them, and then Perry does it anyway. I don't get why anyone would have a problem with Regal, it's another example of how much of a loudmouth Punk is. I agree with you wholeheartedly there. All comes to your original point regarding perry - weak management. I personally would have turned this into a big angle. This would have been tv gold. But you can't behave your a animal. I do wonder what people like kingston HMP and the other elite members make of this. Id be stunned if punk ever enters a wrestling ring again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: All comes to your original point regarding perry - weak management. I personally would have turned this into a big angle. This would have been tv gold. But you can't behave your a animal. I do wonder what people like kingston HMP and the other elite members make of this. Id be stunned if punk ever enters a wrestling ring again The whole situation was a mess from Punk not being picked up at the air port to what happened backstage after, the glass spot was a reference to a slight altercation on Collision involving Punk and Perry a week or so prior (which proves what Punk said about talent not listening to coaches) months ago . AEW lack leadership I think the situation and how it should have been handled lies somewhere in between The Elite & friends/Perry + Punk have been incredibly unprofessional the way the company is being run isn’t sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 5 hours ago, gwi1890 said: The whole situation was a mess from Punk not being picked up at the air port to what happened backstage after, the glass spot was a reference to a slight altercation on Collision involving Punk and Perry a week or so prior (which proves what Punk said about talent not listening to coaches) months ago . AEW lack leadership I think the situation and how it should have been handled lies somewhere in between The Elite & friends/Perry + Punk have been incredibly unprofessional the way the company is being run isn’t sustainable. Its amateur hour and you can tell the inmates run the place with all the flippy shit and no selling. Its not wrestling Punk comes across as an egomaniac but this time it has the smell of a set up. AEW or the EVPs orchestrated it to get rid of him once and for all. Kevin Nash was right, AEW has no leaders and WWE wouldnt have allowed this shit to go on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy7211 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, Zatman said: Punk comes across as an egomaniac but this time it has the smell of a set up. AEW or the EVPs orchestrated it to get rid of him once and for all. Kevin Nash was right, AEW has no leaders and WWE wouldnt have allowed this shit to go on For as bad as Punk is, how long did he last in WWE where he hated it in comparison to AEW? Not counting injuries and the time he missed due to the backstage "incident", how long was he with AEW for? A year? Shows how much more unprofessional it really is. I don't agree with his more extreme views, but Cornette's view of this incident and also the people running AEW is bang on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 43 minutes ago, Zatman said: Its amateur hour and you can tell the inmates run the place with all the flippy shit and no selling. Its not wrestling Punk comes across as an egomaniac but this time it has the smell of a set up. AEW or the EVPs orchestrated it to get rid of him once and for all. Kevin Nash was right, AEW has no leaders and WWE wouldnt have allowed this shit to go on Yup it’s been a steady decline since Cody left yes big names came through the door but storyline wise it’s been pretty directionless , Collisions has been the only show I’ve been able to sit through from start to finish recently I wonder why that was? It’s a shame that such a promising promotion has come to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 Are there really any smarks who are actually surprised by the AEW product though? I don't think so. It was always going to be a big budget PWG / ROH mash up, and that's what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 hours ago, gwi1890 said: Yup it’s been a steady decline since Cody left yes big names came through the door but storyline wise it’s been pretty directionless , Collisions has been the only show I’ve been able to sit through from start to finish recently I wonder why that was? It’s a shame that such a promising promotion has come to this. I have to say i really dont like collison. The intro music is terrible, the commentary team is bad (kevin kelly ergh) and I its overall a poor ahow. I much prefer Dynamite This might be controversial but i think he should bring in someone like bischoff in to help him run things. Khan needs a experienced head in there ans i think he can add value there in terms of storylines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 7 hours ago, Demitri_C said: I have to say i really dont like collison. The intro music is terrible, the commentary team is bad (kevin kelly ergh) and I its overall a poor ahow. I much prefer Dynamite This might be controversial but i think he should bring in someone like bischoff in to help him run things. Khan needs a experienced head in there ans i think he can add value there in terms of storylines Dynamite used to be awesome but now it’s just random matches without any build thrown together the only storyline the kept going in recent months was MJF - Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 3 hours ago, gwi1890 said: Dynamite used to be awesome but now it’s just random matches without any build thrown together the only storyline the kept going in recent months was MJF - Cole. I agree with that but same with collison its just random matches. Why didnt they before announcing collison have like a draft and then have a tournament for a collison world champ? They also have too many belts. World title, international, TNT, triple titles tag titles, not to mention they have ROH titles defended on here. Its a mess Have one world title each show and one secondary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwi1890 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: I agree with that but same with collison its just random matches. Why didnt they before announcing collison have like a draft and then have a tournament for a collison world champ? They also have too many belts. World title, international, TNT, triple titles tag titles, not to mention they have ROH titles defended on here. Its a mess Have one world title each show and one secondary Collision built the house of black strong which led into a feud with the acclaimed, elevated Ricky Starks, gave Bullet Club Gold a direction. Andrade was finally getting over it was leading to the reintroduction of LFI. The show was building on the same talent each week. And yes I agree with you on the titles they could have used the RoH titles on Collision or Rampage for that matter . Edited September 5, 2023 by gwi1890 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 Ah come on! No Honky Tonk Man coming out to try and preserve his record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 22 hours ago, Wainy316 said: Ah come on! No Honky Tonk Man coming out to try and preserve his record? I mean no one on this planet thought gable would win. At least make it someone who you think MIGHT stand a chance. Again so trash booking by wwe. Hopi ngg for gunter vs lesnar at WM. That would have been epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogso Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 I'd love Zack to win this, but this is against the same guy who subbed freakin Okada on an AEW show, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 05/09/2023 at 11:03, Wainy316 said: Ah come on! No Honky Tonk Man coming out to try and preserve his record? The greatest intercontinental champion of all time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Seems like jade cargeill has signed with wwe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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