Summer Transfer Window (2024/25)

[zab6359]

15 minutes ago, Mazrim said:

The more I discover about Nedeljkovic, the more the more I think he'll be starting sooner rather than later, He seems to have it all except experience.

Not sure what you are discovering please pass on any info, I'm not having a pop but how many teams have an 18 year old playing in defense?

[duke313]

5 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

As good as Konsa is at RB when called upon he is a CB and a very good one at that, Torres LCB Konsa RCB is what makes sense as a starting CB pairing next season, Carlos will either be a squad player or moved on, Lenglet will not be here so will need replacing depending on how TM recovers. What happens at RB will be interesting same with LB if Digne goes. 

I wouldn't be surprised if both Digne and Cash are moved on if they have suitors.  Digne was close to leaving last summer but stayed because the deal for Acuna fell through, he'll have done his value no harm with his performances which have been great, but due to his salary he'll be sold.  Cash has been hit or miss this season; I think we can do better than him and will be sold if anyone is interested in him.

[duke313]

4 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

Not sure what you are discovering please pass on any info, I'm not having a pop but how many teams have an 18 year old playing in defense?

Red Star play in a weak two horse league with only them and Partizan the only half decent teams, they can quite easily play a few youngsters against most teams without much of an impact performance wise. But Nedeljkovic has also played for them in the Champions League and will supposedly feature quite a bit for Serbia in the Euros this summer, so despite his age seems more than capable with first team football.   

[zab6359]

1 minute ago, duke313 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if both Digne and Cash are moved on if they have suitors.  Digne was close to leaving last summer but stayed because the deal for Acuna fell through, he'll have done his value no harm with his performances which have been great, but due to his salary he'll be sold.  Cash has been hit or miss this season; I think we can do better than him and will be sold if anyone is interested in him.

Which begs the question why get rid? Other that the wages argument which aren't as high as some like to speculate on here him and Moreno as LB choices is pretty damn good. (other than both being over 30 but does that really matter?)

Cash I can see the reasoning he's not pulled up trees this season.

 

[zab6359]

6 minutes ago, duke313 said:

Red Star play in a weak two horse league with only them and Partizan the only half decent teams, they can quite easily play a few youngsters against most teams without much of an impact performance wise. But Nedeljkovic has also played for them in the Champions League and will supposedly feature quite a bit for Serbia in the Euros this summer, so despite his age seems more than capable with first team football.   

But that is what happens when shit leagues get Champions League places and shit teams get to play in the Euros!?

Not saying he won't become a great player but lets put things into perspective a little.

Edited February 22 by zab6359

[zab6359]

On 19/02/2024 at 08:57, paul514 said:

Maybe.

Here is a fun exercise for fellow posters to give grief over.

Assuming you have zero FFP spending room but the owners want to spend money….

Who would you sell to free up FFP room and who would you buy with that room?

I’ll do mine tomorrow, if some others do there’s, I already know a load of you are going to HATE mine.

Have you posted yours Paul?

[GREAT_BEARD_OF_ZEUS]

54 minutes ago, zab6359 said:

Which begs the question why get rid? Other that the wages argument which aren't as high as some like to speculate on here him and Moreno as LB choices is pretty damn good. (other than both being over 30 but does that really matter?)

Cash I can see the reasoning he's not pulled up trees this season.

 

He's on £120k per week, so whilst it's not quite the highest, it puts him in that bracket.  Add that to the amortised transfer fee and he's second only to Diaby.  Selling Digne for anything more than around £5m, not only gets a £12m annual cost off the books, but it then technically represents a profit on the P&L at this stage.

If we were to able to shift Digne, Carlos, Coutinho and Dendonker this summer, that's close to 25% of the annual squad cost saved (when viewed as wages + amortised fees).  

To put it into context, that would give us the room to sign 6 new players on free transfers, each on £140k a week and still have change.

[Follyfoot]

5 hours ago, fightoffyour said:

That's why I'm advocating keeping Torres there. The Mings L(C)B formation is the opposite of the Konsa R(C)B one, as in now we sometimes play:

Moreno - Torres - Carlos - Konsa

if we want to reverse that with the attacking impetus down the right instead of the left for tactical reason occasionally, then we could go (assuming Mings does get back to his old level):

Mings - Torres - Konsa - Kosta

But either way I assume the plan for this season and what we will hopefully see next season is this as our first choice back 4:

Moreno - Mings - Torres - Konsa

Which side Mings and Torres would actually play in that scenario, I'm not sure.

are you left handed, only reason I ask is the back 4 seems to be different from the usual way I see it quoted

 

Konsa - Calos - Torres - Moreno  

[fightoffyour]

3 minutes ago, Follyfoot said:

are you left handed, only reason I ask is the back 4 seems to be different from the usual way I see it quoted

 

Konsa - Calos - Torres - Moreno  

No, I'm Emi Martinez.

[Mazrim]

2 hours ago, zab6359 said:

Not sure what you are discovering please pass on any info, I'm not having a pop but how many teams have an 18 year old playing in defense?

Not many, I know but some players are ready at 18. He's equally good going forward and in defence, tall, fast as ****, has a good range of passing and composed. It's pretty much every you'd wish for in a fullback and although the Serbian League maybe uncompetitive, he's come up against big players in the Champions League and looked at home.

I'm just saying this guy is much more promising than I initially thought - to be fair I knew little about him - and he may well be in the starting XI sooner than you think.

[thabucks]

3 hours ago, zab6359 said:

Not sure what you are discovering please pass on any info, I'm not having a pop but how many teams have an 18 year old playing in defense?

Lille have Leny Yoro -18, Ajax have Jorrel Hato - 17, Rico Lewis Citeh - 18 … Plenty of other examples of players who were playing regular 1st team football at 18 for big clubs … It’s not the age it’s are you good enough … 

[david-avfc]

1 hour ago, Mazrim said:

Not many, I know but some players are ready at 18. He's equally good going forward and in defence, tall, fast as ****, has a good range of passing and composed. It's pretty much every you'd wish for in a fullback and although the Serbian League maybe uncompetitive, he's come up against big players in the Champions League and looked at home.

I'm just saying this guy is much more promising than I initially thought - to be fair I knew little about him - and he may well be in the starting XI sooner than you think.

I think the Serbian lad will be loaned out or kept as maybe a 3rd choice initially, unless he really impresses in pre season

If the plan was to use him in the Prem next season I don’t think we’d have wasted the opportunity to bed him to the club for a half a season or to loan him to a higher level. That’s just a guess though, could be totally wrong. 

[duke313]

16 minutes ago, david-avfc said:

I think the Serbian lad will be loaned out or kept as maybe a 3rd choice initially, unless he really impresses in pre season

If the plan was to use him in the Prem next season I don’t think we’d have wasted the opportunity to bed him to the club for a half a season or to loan him to a higher level. That’s just a guess though, could be totally wrong. 

He wouldn’t have been able to play for us this season, he’s already played for two clubs. He’ll be assessed in the summer, and if deemed not ready he’ll be loaned out. Remember, Unai played 18 year  old Yeremy Pino in the EL final, if you’re good enough your old enough.

[Alakagom]

15 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

All these little things add up. Freiburg coming from 2-0 down the be 2-2 with Lens.

Lazio winning, Arsenal losing etc.. you know it in your gut when the tide means PL won't get the 5th CL spot

I mean Lazio eliminating Bayern would be tremendous help. Italian teams look extremely strong, it's gonna be close 2nd between Germans and us. 

[mole86]

1 minute ago, CVByrne said:

Yeah and Freiburg winning and Frankfurt winning later today is closer to nail in coffin for us

Wrong thread, I thought you’d written off our season anyway? 

[paul514]

10 hours ago, zab6359 said:

Have you posted yours Paul?

I haven't I said I would and post a full FFP explanation, I got two reacts both laughing  so I didn't bother. I am bored so I will type it out now 

[Hank Scorpio]

10 hours ago, duke313 said:

Red Star play in a weak two horse league with only them and Partizan the only half decent teams, they can quite easily play a few youngsters against most teams without much of an impact performance wise. But Nedeljkovic has also played for them in the Champions League and will supposedly feature quite a bit for Serbia in the Euros this summer, so despite his age seems more than capable with first team football.   

So he's tearing his ACL at the Euros.

Confirmed.

[paul514]

Ok this will be a long post but I will try and break it up a bit so it is more readable....

These are the players I would sell/release in the summer all figures are in euros and from Transfermarkt.

The amortized value is what he costs us per year on the accounts and the book value is the total amount of amortization left until he he has a value of zero for FFP. This means for an FFP profit on a player he must be sold for more than his book value.

I also think it is worth mentioning how these values are worked out.... lets say we sign a player on a 5 year contract for 50m. After 3 years we sign him to a new 5 year contract this means for the first 3 years he is with us he amortizes at 10m per year making his book value 20m when he signs a 5 year extension to his contract.
He will then amortize at 4m per year for the next five years. I hope that is simple to understand.

Lenglet - End of loan

Zaniolo - End of loan

Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, 

House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left

Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m
He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m

Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m.
He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m

Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m
He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m

Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m
He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m

Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros
He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m

Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros
He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m

Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros
He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m

 

The total amortization per year of all the players mentioned is 31.41m Euros which is 26.9m Pounds
The total book value of all the players mentioned is 65.9m Euros which is 56.4m Pounds

My aim would be to cut the fat off the squad and then trying to bring in a smaller amount higher quality players as a whole without breaking FFP restrictions and (Hopefully) reducing the wage bill as PSR (profit and sustainability rules) is changing meaning we have to bring our wage bill down to 70% of our revenue within a couple of years.

The price tags for my suggestions are from media reported figures or their release figure.
The links are for their transfermarkt profile and their scouting report from FBREF for their data.

Jean-Clair Todibo, 24 - Centre back,  Nice, 35m

I want this player as he is a lot like Pau Torres and we have all seen how much we missed him whilst he was injured taking the ball out of defence and his skill with progressive passes. He will be genuine competition for Konsa and will probably win out in that race.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-clair-todibo/profil/spieler/605184
https://fbref.com/en/players/88f130ed/scout/365_m1/Jean-Clair-Todibo-Scouting-Report

 

Adrien Truffert, 22 - Left back, Rennes, 20m

I think this guy is already as good as what we already have but he has a high ceiling and time on his side to reach that potential. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adrien-truffert/profil/spieler/654539
https://fbref.com/en/players/5d0e0a1f/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Truffert-Scouting-Report

 

Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause)

Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jeremie-frimpong/profil/spieler/484547
https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/scout/365_m1/Jeremie-Frimpong-Scouting-Report

 

Martin Zubimendi, 25, - DCM, Sociedad, 52m (Release Clause)

I could be persuaded to sign a different DCM as this one will be hard to sign and expensive. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-zubimendi/profil/spieler/423440
https://fbref.com/en/players/3ee0dd59/Martin-Zubimendi

 

Jonathan David, 24 - Striker, Lille, 40m

As you all know the striker market is difficult, but this is where most of the FFP profit comes from in my suggestions. I picked him as he should be relatively straight forward for us to pick up, he plays somewhat similarly to Watkins but he is not a carbon copy. His record last year was excellent and his data for this year is very good. If he had more shooting opportunities then his numbers would be much higher.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
https://fbref.com/en/players/ce50fd99/scout/365_m1/Jonathan-David-Scouting-Report

So according to the figures I have used for purchasing these players that is 185m Pounds.

I can't know if we could get them to sign a 5 year or 4 year contract so I am going to list both and it would probably be somewhere in between.

So the 185m amortized over 5 years would be 37m per year or over 4 years it would be 46.25m

As the suggested sales/released are amortizing at 26.9m Pounds my suggestions increase amortization by 19.35m per year over what it is currently (assuming the worst case scenario of 4 year contracts for everyone) but I think if we sold all those players whose book value currently is 56.4m we would receive something like 150m with Watkins and Cash bringing in the bulk of that money. This would mean a 93.6m FFP profit on their book value allowing us to make these purchases as long as the owners inject the remaining cash (35m) into the club.

I think those players would effectively lock off all the defensive positions, all the central midfield positions, as far as I am concerned the forward positions, leaving small question marks over our wide midfield positions (the Ramsey/McGinn roles but Tielemans can play there as can Buendia) and our striker position (will David work out? Is Duran a good back up?). That could be reassessed in the following summer. It also brings down the age of the squad significantly whilst having better prospects of resale value in the future over the current players.
How much higher could Watkins value be in the future given he would be 29 the summer after soon to turn 30 for example. This is how we get to spend lots on players

Even if you don't agree with some or all of my suggestions, I hope you can see the value of a post like this that explains a bit what clubs are having to deal with when it comes to spending with FFP and PSR rules.
 

Edited February 23 by paul514

[Kiwivillan]

29 minutes ago, paul514 said:

Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause)

Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make.

He's not played full back for several seasons. RM in a 343 is not full back. His defensive numbers compared to Cash and other FBs are poor. 

Tackles and Interceptions bottom 3% of FBs Cash 87% and 41%

 

[paul514]

8 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

He's not played full back for several seasons. RM in a 343 is not full back. His defensive numbers compared to Cash and other FBs are poor. 

Tackles and Interceptions bottom 3% of FBs Cash 87% and 41%

 

Why would you expect his defensive data to be the same as Cash when he isn't playing the same role? Regardless, I have watched him for years, he is a right back