nick76 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, gwi1890 said: Maybe he’s coming by boat Definitely not coming today then it’s quite a nice day so not wet enough for a boat. nick76 - local weatherman - VT news 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 15, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Ceemo said: Mildly interesting but what does Ornstein say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 (edited) @Jas10 get the "twitter.co" link from the share option and it works Edited August 15, 2023 by MrBlack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 He has already played in Europe this season, qualifier for Gala, can he also play for us against Hibs.? Gala is playing another game at home tonight, is he there saying goodbye to the fans perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 The word catastrophic should never be used lightly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, MrBlack said: @Jas10 get the "twitter.co" link from the share option and it works Mate.. you’ve lost me I see no such option… can only open link in browser n paste from there, but that’s long winded and a pain in the ass! I use the app but it’s starting to become useless now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jas10 said: Mate.. you’ve lost me I see no such option… can only open link in browser n paste from there, but that’s long winded and a pain in the ass! I use the app but it’s starting to become useless now Latest version of the app... Tap that button, then select "copy link"...works for me :). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Kiwivillan said: Maybe it will be a shrewd signing. It's not like we've never signed crocked, or "past it", or unwanted players that turned out to be great. But we more frequently sign potentially great players who soon become crocked or appear past it I have a feeling Zaniolo will be great though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tom13 said: But we more frequently sign potentially great players who soon become crocked or appear past it I have a feeling Zaniolo will be great though. It's about time our luck went the other way on this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Latest version of the app... Tap that button, then select "copy link"...works for me :). Oh… thank you Might need to update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelvillan Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 looking online, opinions on this guy range from being a clumsy crock of injured, moody poop, to an unstoppable totti/ ibrahimovic hybrid megastar. Curious to see whereabouts on the spectrum he actually falls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villaglint Posted August 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2023 He strikes the ball like a young Gary Gardner. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_ian_taylor Posted August 15, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 15, 2023 2 hours ago, The Moustache of Teale said: My wife used the think the next line or so was "you're the kind if guy who likes to kiss his cock at night", rather than "kiss his car goodnight" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post allani Posted August 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Jas10 said: Just watching footage/highlights of him again… would it be fair to say that he’s a better dribbler and better or more natural finisher than anyone we currently have at the club? Looks so technically gifted… * Would he end up being the most naturally talented player at the club? Maybe even more so than Coutinho, who is well and truly past his best (and never really shown anything resembling that) and can’t even go on decent runs anymore… slowed down massively and barely challenges the keeper with his shots… Phil going the other way would have actually made sense, rebuild himself at a lower level… * Nico appears to look that way anyway… and I’m crazy excited again if that’s the case In terms of “risk”… are we only talking about injuries here? Because, there don’t appear to be any other genuine negative factors… mitigating/extenuating reasons for questions over his attitude or mental issues (treated like shit at Roma, by extremist fans and the alway spiky and arrogant Mourinho - only a robot would not have been affected by that, the kid seemed to have been used n abused really)… I’ve actually seen some very positive comments and stuff from certain Gala fans, including how he helped out in difficult times (earthquake, supplies for the homeless)… Best goals per minute ratio in Turkish league… Just seems like someone who wants to get on and enjoy his football and move on from the crap of the past… he’s chosen an excellent destination… I hope and feel he will thrive under Unai’s management… Apologies if someone else has already answered your questions. In terms of what I have seen (as a Roma supporting Villa fan living in Italy) he was very much expected to receive the ball and look to take players on. I'd say his touch is pretty decent - he certainly has a good habit of bringing a tricky ball under control without seeming to miss a stride. He's pretty strong in terms of upper-body strength and so can hold players off the ball when they are alongside him - he's got the Gazza approach of managing to get his arms and shoulders out to keep defenders a bit further away from the ball. He's quick - particularly over a short distance so if he gets past someone they don't often get a second chance to tackle him. He will get fouled a lot and he'll try and beat his man meaning that he'll get tackled a lot. But if he is tackled two or three times and then gets away from his man the fourth then he'll tend to make something happen that time. He also has a whole bunch of tricks and the ability to do the unexpected - think of Bertie but a Bertie who doesn't surprise himself when it comes off (oh and without the blind cross/field passes to the unmarked opposition centre forward). I am sure that he'll frustrate some on here but if / when he gets going he'll get people on their feet. But he's definitely one of those players that if he gets on the end of a through ball you're expecting him to put it away. I think I have said before that I'm sure he led Serie A in terms of the number of goals scored by a team after a shot by a specific player - so Ollie should be expecting to get a lot of rebounds heading his way. Not sure about a natural finisher. I mean he's definitely got an eye for goal and getting shots in on target. What he does have is the ability to do the unexpected - when the ball is there looking like it needs bringing down and trying to round the keeper, he'll find some way of hitting it with the outside of the wrong foot and into the net (very much like Totti in that regard). Again that will infuriate some (when the ball goes wide) but more often than note defenders / keepers aren't expecting it and so are often going the wrong way (to block the more obvious option). Risk wise. I mean obviously he's not played a full season for a while for various reasons - injuries, the fall-out with Mourinho, etc - so that is a concern. He'll get fouled a lot (have I said that before?!) so we need to make sure that he gets protected by the referee (to avoid injury) and they don't assume that he's a wily Italian throwing himself to the ground all the time (booked for simulation). (Remind you of anyone?) And like Jack he can get wound up and frustrated if he's getting kicked to **** - so he'll pick up some clumsy yellow cards. I think the biggest risk is how quickly he adjusts to the PL and whether the fans get frustrated with him in the meantime. If we can get him firing and feeling like the fans and club love him then he could honestly be Jack level good (in a slightly different position). But we need to give him some time and show him some love. I think he's definitely a player who needs a friendly / fatherly arm around the shoulder sometimes - and Mourinho most definitely wasn't that. I think that he will want to play on the shoulders of the defence - so with him, Ollie and Diaby a 4-3-3 is probably our best attacking option - so the question will be whether that unbalances the side and how our midfield will cope. So that's a risk Obviously at times we will need to play more conservatively and stick an extra midfield workhorse in the team. As I said on previous posts, you'd ideally want to have seen him churn out performances over a full season to show that he's properly back - but if he does that and you can almost guarantee that Inter and Juve would have been very, very interested indeed. I think a lot of the big teams will have thought about it and decided that they needed that extra guarantee. Personally, I think the deal that is being reported looks like a really good option for us to address some of those risks without a massive finanicial impact if it doesn't work out. My gut feel says that we'll sign a permanent deal in the summer. If we get Zaniolo back to his best then it will be seen as one of THE bargains of the season. But the reason that we've got the opportunity is because I think it might take a couple of months to start seeing the best of him. So I'm slightly worried that parts of the fanbase won't afford him the time and that he doesn't settle as well as we would like. For the cost and the potential upside it is a great deal. However, I'd be happier if we'd come into this situation on the back of a good opening day away score draw, with Ramsey and Moreno fit and without the two bad injuries last week. Then we'd be in a great position to ease Zaniolo in gently - whereas it kind of feels like there's already pressure on him to come in and provide an immediate boost. 17 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, allani said: Apologies if someone else has already answered your questions. In terms of what I have seen (as a Roma supporting Villa fan living in Italy) he was very much expected to receive the ball and look to take players on. I'd say his touch is pretty decent - he certainly has a good habit of bringing a tricky ball under control without seeming to miss a stride. He's pretty strong in terms of upper-body strength and so can hold players off the ball when they are alongside him - he's got the Gazza approach of managing to get his arms and shoulders out to keep defenders a bit further away from the ball. He's quick - particularly over a short distance so if he gets past someone they don't often get a second chance to tackle him. He will get fouled a lot and he'll try and beat his man meaning that he'll get tackled a lot. But if he is tackled two or three times and then gets away from his man the fourth then he'll tend to make something happen that time. He also has a whole bunch of tricks and the ability to do the unexpected - think of Bertie but a Bertie who doesn't surprise himself when it comes off (oh and without the blind cross/field passes to the unmarked opposition centre forward). I am sure that he'll frustrate some on here but if / when he gets going he'll get people on their feet. But he's definitely one of those players that if he gets on the end of a through ball you're expecting him to put it away. I think I have said before that I'm sure he led Serie A in terms of the number of goals scored by a team after a shot by a specific player - so Ollie should be expecting to get a lot of rebounds heading his way. Not sure about a natural finisher. I mean he's definitely got an eye for goal and getting shots in on target. What he does have is the ability to do the unexpected - when the ball is there looking like it needs bringing down and trying to round the keeper, he'll find some way of hitting it with the outside of the wrong foot and into the net (very much like Totti in that regard). Again that will infuriate some (when the ball goes wide) but more often than note defenders / keepers aren't expecting it and so are often going the wrong way (to block the more obvious option). Risk wise. I mean obviously he's not played a full season for a while for various reasons - injuries, the fall-out with Mourinho, etc - so that is a concern. He'll get fouled a lot (have I said that before?!) so we need to make sure that he gets protected by the referee (to avoid injury) and they don't assume that he's a wily Italian throwing himself to the ground all the time (booked for simulation). (Remind you of anyone?) And like Jack he can get wound up and frustrated if he's getting kicked to **** - so he'll pick up some clumsy yellow cards. I think the biggest risk is how quickly he adjusts to the PL and whether the fans get frustrated with him in the meantime. If we can get him firing and feeling like the fans and club love him then he could honestly be Jack level good (in a slightly different position). But we need to give him some time and show him some love. I think he's definitely a player who needs a friendly / fatherly arm around the shoulder sometimes - and Mourinho most definitely wasn't that. I think that he will want to play on the shoulders of the defence - so with him, Ollie and Diaby a 4-3-3 is probably our best attacking option - so the question will be whether that unbalances the side and how our midfield will cope. So that's a risk Obviously at times we will need to play more conservatively and stick an extra midfield workhorse in the team. As I said on previous posts, you'd ideally want to have seen him churn out performances over a full season to show that he's properly back - but if he does that and you can almost guarantee that Inter and Juve would have been very, very interested indeed. I think a lot of the big teams will have thought about it and decided that they needed that extra guarantee. Personally, I think the deal that is being reported looks like a really good option for us to address some of those risks without a massive finanicial impact if it doesn't work out. My gut feel says that we'll sign a permanent deal in the summer. If we get Zaniolo back to his best then it will be seen as one of THE bargains of the season. But the reason that we've got the opportunity is because I think it might take a couple of months to start seeing the best of him. So I'm slightly worried that parts of the fanbase won't afford him the time and that he doesn't settle as well as we would like. For the cost and the potential upside it is a great deal. However, I'd be happier if we'd come into this situation on the back of a good opening day away score draw, with Ramsey and Moreno fit and without the two bad injuries last week. Then we'd be in a great position to ease Zaniolo in gently - whereas it kind of feels like there's already pressure on him to come in and provide an immediate boost. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, villaglint said: He strikes the ball like a young Gary Gardner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Latest version of the app... Tap that button, then select "copy link"...works for me :). Sorry to prolong this… but na, not the same for me. App already updated too. Having to open in browser then copy from there… Guessing you’re on Android whereas I’m on iOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 Just now, Jas10 said: Guessing you’re on Android whereas I’m on iOS? Correct. I'm not sure why I thought the apps might work somewhat similarly, more fool me for assuming technology giants could be consistent. I imagine the X infrastructure will catch up and provide innate incorporability in to other websites soon... shouldn't take much to make it backwards compatible from whatever they did with the twitter domain. Enough of that anyway.... Is that picture of Zaniolo waving to the Gala crowd from today or yesterday does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas10 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, MrBlack said: Correct. I'm not sure why I thought the apps might work somewhat similarly, more fool me for assuming technology giants could be consistent. I imagine the X infrastructure will catch up and provide innate incorporability in to other websites soon... shouldn't take much to make it backwards compatible from whatever they did with the twitter domain. Enough of that anyway.... Is that picture of Zaniolo waving to the Gala crowd from today or yesterday does anyone know? The game is tonight. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted August 15, 2023 Share Posted August 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Jas10 said: The game is tonight. 'Villans' Michael, Villans! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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