The Fun Factory Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 1 hour ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Table looks terrible at the moment, we are 1 point above relegation spots, but we are also just 3 points off 11th . All is not lost yet. Due to our terrible start, shock results were always going to be needed. Hopefully this is the year we turn over Man U. I would love it if we could beat Man U on Sunday. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishVilla10 Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Pinebro said: Even with this appointment there is no plan involved. Smith, Gerrard and Emery has nothing in common as coaches. Completely different all of them who demands a different type of player. It's not like the board has a style of play in mind and recruit based on that. Just going by his Wikipedia page pretty much and hope he fixes us. If he turns it around I'll be over the moon but if yet another manager fails we need to look elsewhere for our failure. Mainly towards Purslow and the owners. Hard disagree here. Everything was fine until we appointed Gerrard, it was a huge mistake. Emery’s the perfect appointment to amend it 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IrishVilla10 Posted October 29, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2022 Some huge overreacting here it seems. Today we played a team who’ve had a year of very good coaching. We’ve had a year of little to no coaching. There’s 24 games left 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyblade Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said: We're in a much better position than they were last season. There is hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wezbid Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, GingerCollins29 said: The more I think about it today, the more perplexed I am. This was there last chance to show Emery before he arrives. Some of the 2nd half effort levels were petulant and downright pathetic At the same time, I think it can show how much a well drilled team can do against the opposite. It just adds weight that it's not as simple as Emery is watching, got to impress him. Sometimes, I think people are so consumed on ourselves that we forget that there's an elite level opposition who are being set-up to counteract our dangers. It's not as simple as playing a 4-2-3-1 and then everything clicks. From what I've seen and read about UE, however, I don't think it will be as perplexing to him. He's probably encountered this sort of thing many times and I know from personal experience how much a mind-set can be altered with the right guidance. As long as you trust the person guiding then I think every player needs to be judged freshly over the next few months. Some players will not get on board and that's fine, they can move on or rot and get a poorer contract next move but those that are willing to go with him and listen will hopefully be better versions of what we have now. All that message wasn't aimed your direction btw, I just quoted you and started replying to one thing and then went off on a tangent, haha. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 7 hours ago, IrishVilla10 said: Some huge overreacting here it seems. Today we played a team who’ve had a year of very good coaching. We’ve had a year of little to no coaching. There’s 24 games left Theres been plenty of coaching. But to a system that just doesnt work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Bring on the World Cup break. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 10 hours ago, Pinebro said: Even with this appointment there is no plan involved. Smith, Gerrard and Emery has nothing in common as coaches. Completely different all of them who demands a different type of player. It's not like the board has a style of play in mind and recruit based on that. Just going by his Wikipedia page pretty much and hope he fixes us. Well I’d be more worried if the style was consistent. Each year has different requirements. You can’t use the same approach for promotion as you do to avoid relegation as you do to pushing up the PL table. Each year requires a different style, different plan, tactics and strategy. Each of those requires different players, different types of players and also allows to attract different quality of players. If they had used the same style, tactics and type of players then I’d be more worried. Once you are established in a league you want consistency but we haven’t been established, we have had a journey from the bottom half of the championship. The club made a mistake with Gerrard and they may have kept some players from earlier years of the plan for too long like McGinn and Watkins but you don’t get to reset everything each season and pick a squad for the new season. Players sign multiple years in contracts so you get stuck with them. Additionally with things changing you constantly adapt your plan based on new factors, you upgrade when you can and sometimes when you do you have to change your direction when the plan isn’t working. Yes some of these players won’t work under Emery but the core will. Gerrard was a mistake, we’ve kept some players too long but I think the plan is there and with styles changing I see that as adapting to what is needed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, nick76 said: Well I’d be more worried if the style was consistent. Each year has different requirements. You can’t use the same approach for promotion as you do to avoid relegation as you do to pushing up the PL table. Each year requires a different style, different plan, tactics and strategy. Each of those requires different players, different types of players and also allows to attract different quality of players. If they had used the same style, tactics and type of players then I’d be more worried. Once you are established in a league you want consistency but we haven’t been established, we have had a journey from the bottom half of the championship. The club made a mistake with Gerrard and they may have kept some players from earlier years of the plan for too long like McGinn and Watkins but you don’t get to reset everything each season and pick a squad for the new season. Players sign multiple years in contracts so you get stuck with them. Additionally with things changing you constantly adapt your plan based on new factors, you upgrade when you can and sometimes when you do you have to change your direction when the plan isn’t working. Yes some of these players won’t work under Emery but the core will. Gerrard was a mistake, we’ve kept some players too long but I think the plan is there and with styles changing I see that as adapting to what is needed. I don't think Emery is going to be successful here. Not until we replace Purslow and Lange and get in football people. Would love to be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pinebro said: I don't think Emery is going to be successful here. Not until we replace Purslow and Lange and get in football people. Would love to be proven wrong. Maybe, but I don’t think Emery would have agreed to join us if he didn’t have a certain level of control. Here’s hoping that Edens and Sawiris have stripped Purslow of certain footballing decisions. As for Lange, I should think he’ll be on his last chance. You’d like to think that with the level Emery has coached at, he’s far less expendable than Lange, and hopefully Purslow too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pinebro said: I don't think Emery is going to be successful here. Not until we replace Purslow and Lange and get in football people. Would love to be proven wrong. I have felt this (minus Emery) for some time. That we at best are doomed to perpetual mediocrity due to wasting our potential on wrong managers, players and staff, with no hope of ever entering the top 6 consistently ever again. Emery currently acts as a counterpoint to this thesis as he is the best managerial appointment we have made in my lifetime. You thesis might still hold, but for my part I view this as a possible alteration point of our projected trajectory, one that COULD, if built upon be just what we need. Emery focuses a lot on analytics, and this will do us a world of good in the recruitment department. Well, it could at least. So while I do think there is a high chance we will remain the AI in this FM save that is played by the top 6 (and possibly Newcastle) players as humans, there is still hope of joining that group for us. But the window for joining that group is closing fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post M_Afro Posted October 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2022 I actually think that the result yesterday was helpful to Unai. People were getting carried away after Brentford and yesterday really helped to reset the expectation levels. It will hopefully buy him more time with even the most impatient of fans recognising the enormity of the task. Unai will also look at yesterday and see lots of quick fixes. Lots of things that can be introduced quickly and easily and will improve things from the off. He will also change things in game to try and reverse momentum. I don’t think that this is something that Dean or Gerrard were particularly effective at. The rest of this season is going to be a bit of a roller coaster but in time, through coaching and effective recruitment, we will get a more consistent level of performance. We will need to be patient though. Effective change will take time. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted October 30, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Pinebro said: I don't think Emery is going to be successful here. Not until we replace Purslow and Lange and get in football people. Would love to be proven wrong. Over what sort of timeframe? For pretty much every manager except SAF and to a lesser extent Wenger, all managers “fail” at some point… I think you need to set some measures for your assessment of failure. What do you consider a success and over what timeframe? Over a long enough time frame all survival rates drop to zero… Edited October 30, 2022 by alreadyexists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Over what sort of timeframe? For pretty much every manager except SAF and to a lesser extent Wenger, all managers “fail” at some point… I think you need to set some measures for your assessment of failure. What do you consider a success and over what timeframe? Over a long enough time frame all survival rates drop to zero… By failure I mean I don't think anything is gonna change. We'll hover around mid table at best. Would love to share you guys optimism but I just have a bad feeling. I have zero faith in the board and I don't see them having a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, Ginko said: Maybe, but I don’t think Emery would have agreed to join us if he didn’t have a certain level of control. Here’s hoping that Edens and Sawiris have stripped Purslow of certain footballing decisions. As for Lange, I should think he’ll be on his last chance. You’d like to think that with the level Emery has coached at, he’s far less expendable than Lange, and hopefully Purslow too. I’d be happy to see the back of Lange now to be honest. Get a new DoF in ahead of the Jan transfer window preferably in the World Cup break. Needs to have more say than Purslow in footballing decisions and be compatible with Emery. They need to identify our strengths and weaknesses and work on a shared strategy to improve. Purslow just needs to keep to the financial stuff. As much Beale should have kept his gob shut talking about Villa after Gerrards sacking there is going to be truth in what he says about the running of the club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pinebro said: By failure I mean I don't think anything is gonna change. We'll hover around mid table at best. Would love to share you guys optimism but I just have a bad feeling. I have zero faith in the board and I don't see them having a plan. It would be total Villa to get a manager with one of the best win rates in Europe at top level and then ruin that win rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbvilla909 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 One thing he needs is time, especially from the fans. If he makes an instant impact, great, if not, then give him the time he needs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daft Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pinebro said: By failure I mean I don't think anything is gonna change. We'll hover around mid table at best. Would love to share you guys optimism but I just have a bad feeling. I have zero faith in the board and I don't see them having a plan. If that turns out to be true, we might as well let the club fold or drop down the system until we find a place where we can at least compete and give the place to some other club. They obviously have a plan even if you can’t see it. And the fact that they approach different types of managers certainly fits with us being a club looking for identity and a true footballing philosophy. We need that last part to originate from someone that actually knows football, and I think they thought Gerrard might be able to do that, especially considering his own playing career. Yes, I agree there is great chance nothing changes, but we must realize it is not always up to what we do. On this level, small differences matter when competition is fierce, and not all clubs can make it to the top. Emery might just be more of the same, but I think his appointment speaks to us having a plan and actually wanting to succeed. He needs time from us and the board. If they sack him this time next year if we are hovering in the same position as now, I think that is more of an indication that they lack not only plan, but requisite knowledge to run a football club. Of that happens they should sell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 (edited) I'd be quite content if we could transform into a upper midtable club who went on regular cup runs. Anything more than that is fanciful imo. Emery is the perfect manager to get us to that point. We need to double or triple our revenue if we want to get anywhere close to the top-6 clubs on a regular basis. Can't see how we do that. Edited October 30, 2022 by sne 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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