ender4 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Moral Choice to make: A mum is a hard drug user & an alcoholic, has a drug dealer/pimp boyfriend, lives in a proper ghetto. Her 4 years old daughter is not abused or physically hurt in anyway, but is left alone for long periods of the day, and not really cared for well. The daughter will probably not have a future, an education, will probably turn to crime, and may eventually end up like the mother. The daughter is kidnapped by the girl's uncle & placed with upstanding members of their community (far away), who love children, where she will grow up in a loving family, always have anything she needs (mentally & materially), will have a good education & grow up with bright prospects. A year after the kidnapping, the police have closed the case, due to no new leads. YOU then find out where the girl is. WHAT DO YOU DO? 1) Leave the girl in her new family (where she is happy) & maintain the status quo?? 2) Call the police & have daughter returned to her REAL mother (who was distraught when her daughter went missing) & who the daughter should rightfully be with? (ps - those who know where i got the scenario from, please don't spoil it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellberg21 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Leave girl where she is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Call rozzers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Leave well alone. Whats the catch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 24, 2008 Author Share Posted July 24, 2008 Leave well alone. Whats the catch? There's no catch. The scenario is as described. Its just a moral/ethical/philosophical question that was put to me, and it was too hard for me to call. Depends how strong you feel for the rights of a mother & the law of the land (kidnapping!), against the potential future happiness/unhappiness of a girl. Do two wrongs make a right, in this scenario? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villal Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I don't think this is a moral dilemma at all, perhaps Morals conflicting with legality A moral decision would have the innocent party's best interests at heart which is surely the child staying with the new family Legally however the uncle has committed a crime and the child should be reunited with her parents IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 No way I'd leave a kid with a junkie whore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futumtch Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Assuming the girls Uncle is the brother of the girls Mother, i.e. siblings, I don't think the crime of kidnapping should apply. Legally it should but ethically it's for the best. The mother is waiving her rights to be a parent/guardian. Harsh but tough shit. However, I'm sure some of the worlds greatest artists grew up under those conditions and made them what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomzep Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 leave her where she is 1) i wouldnt want to be responsble for returning her t potential danger 2) it is not my job to police people, so would not wish to involve myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I dont think that's a hard decision at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath182 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 IMO the best for the child is most important, she would clearly get the most from staying with her new family. So I would therefore have to say Option A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Assuming the girls Uncle is the brother of the girls Mother, i.e. siblings, I don't think the crime of kidnapping should apply. Legally it should but ethically it's for the best. The mother is waiving her rights to be a parent/guardian. Harsh but tough shit. Exactly. If the child was returned to the parent and the drug abuse continued, a single call to the Child Welfare could have the child taken into custody - which could also be responsible family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 24, 2008 VT Supporter Share Posted July 24, 2008 I would have voted for "leave the child where she is, find the durggie mother and shoot her in the face ridding the world of one more waste of oxygen" but alas, it wasn't an option. So I voted for the first one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingphil Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Is the girl called Madeline by any chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 morally and legally, option B for me. if there is a social services case to answer, which there is, then the girl would them be removed from the maother and returned to the uncle (maybe) or some other responsible adult. people should not take the law into their own hands like that. go though the proper channels etc. That way, you may get the duaghter and the uncle united legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Zen Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 morally and legally, option B for me. if there is a social services case to answer, which there is, then the girl would them be removed from the maother and returned to the uncle (maybe) or some other responsible adult. people should not take the law into their own hands like that. go though the proper channels etc. That way, you may get the duaghter and the uncle united legally. Agreed. The girl shouldn't live with her mother, sure, but alerting the police/social services would take care of that anyway. Legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 A for me let the girl decide when she is old enough if she wants to find her real mother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 morally and legally, option B for me. if there is a social services case to answer, which there is, then the girl would them be removed from the maother and returned to the uncle (maybe) or some other responsible adult. people should not take the law into their own hands like that. go though the proper channels etc. That way, you may get the duaghter and the uncle united legally. 'xactly. Please vote then, Jon. I'm looking a bit on my own in the poll at the mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 24, 2008 Moderator Share Posted July 24, 2008 There's some fairly superficial judgements been made, aren't there? Not that that is necessarily wrong. It looks like people have just decided to accept the situation as presented The daughter will probably not have a future, an education, will probably turn to crime, and may eventually end up like the mother. against placed with upstanding members of their community (far away), who love children, where she will grow up in a loving family, always have anything she needs (mentally & materially), will have a good education & grow up with bright prospects. Is all that true? Is it possible that the "upstanding people" might not be quite as perfect as claimed? Is it possible that the druggies might not be as bad as painted. Is it possible that treatment for the druggy mother combined with the return of her daughter might not be a better solution? Is it possible that in this hypotherical situation somone might not know what to do? is it possible that someone might answer that they would seek the advice of others, rather than just plumping for option 1 or option 2. Because it isn't likely to be as simple as presented, at all. It all seems very "Daily Mail" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted July 24, 2008 Author Share Posted July 24, 2008 There's some fairly superficial judgements been made, aren't there? Not that that is necessarily wrong. It looks like people have just decided to accept the situation as presented The daughter will probably not have a future, an education, will probably turn to crime, and may eventually end up like the mother. against placed with upstanding members of their community (far away), who love children, where she will grow up in a loving family, always have anything she needs (mentally & materially), will have a good education & grow up with bright prospects. Is all that true? Is it possible that the "upstanding people" might not be quite as perfect as claimed? Is it possible that the druggies might not be as bad as painted. Is it possible that treatment for the druggy mother combined with the return of her daughter might not be a better solution? Is it possible that in this hypotherical situation somone might not know what to do? is it possible that someone might answer that they would seek the advice of others, rather than just plumping for option 1 or option 2. Because it isn't likely to be as simple as presented, at all. well thought out. This is the problem i had with the scenario. how do we know what the future holds? and that is why i couldn't decide between option 1 or 2, and why i gave a 3rd option of can't decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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