Ratings & Reactions: Crystal Palace v Villa

[TRO]

1 hour ago, Tomaszk said:

Some have been saying this for quite some time. Gerrard was the wrong appointment and nearly all the performances have shown that.

It's you who decided to anoint him with no evidence. Quite why, I don't know.

your wording is juvenile.

I explained many times why, but you are too busy listening to your own agenda.

What evidence is there for many managers, like the one now, getting a huge tune out of Leeds.

Why our team, is laboured, lethargic, slow in thought, full of melancholy....call it what you will, is a mystery to many of us.

but you seem to be more interested in telling posters they were wrong, than searching for a solution of your own....even if we sack him today, you seem to have no idea or evidence, of a solution or alternative.

Folk who was happy with SG, was never expecting this, and to suggest otherwise, is disingenous.

For the amount of times, you have reminded folk you didn't want him in the first place, you could have articulated yourself, to look for a positive solution.....and served the cause more creatively, in leiu of rolling out your tedious diatribe.

ps As a matter of interest ,How old are you?

 

 

 

Edited August 21, 2022 by TRO

[TRO]

34 minutes ago, CLARETANDBLUEFOXY said:

Leeds currently smashing the shit out of Chelsea. We ain’t gotta chance this year. 

unless there is a huge shift in attitude.....it will be a relegation battle on this form.

[sheepyvillian]

8 hours ago, TRO said:

unless there is a huge shift in attitude.....it will be a relegation battle on this form.

For me, TRO, as simple as it may sound, these players wearing the colours of our beloved club have got to be more accountable for these woeful performances. 

I guarantee we bring in a new manager, and still it's the same disjointed crap. Gerrard is seeing exactly what we're seeing. I honestly believe he's in despair at how poor they are performing. Responsibility has to be a collective effort. 

It was the same under Smith and Bruce, both were constantly let down by the failure of certain players to bite down on their shields when the going got tough. You can't coach that. It should be a given, and sadly, at Aston Villa it isn't and hasn't been for a very long time. We can't just keep changing the manager. It's so much more  deeper than that.

 

Edited August 22, 2022 by sheepyvillian

[TRO]

4 hours ago, sheepyvillian said:

For me, TRO, as simple as it may sound, these players wearing the colours of our beloved club, have got to be more accountable for these woeful performances. 

I guarantee we bring in a new manager, and still it's the same disjointed crap. Gerrard is seeing exactly what we're seeing. I honestly believe he's in despair at how poor they are performing. Responsibility has to be a collective effort. 

It was the same under Smith and Bruce, both were constantly let down by the failure of certain players to bite down on their shields when the going got tough. You can't coach that. It should be a given, and sadly, at Aston Villa it isn't and hasn't been for a very long time. We can't just keep changing the manager. It's so much more  deeper than that.

 

FWIW I tend to agree sheepy.....it needs a culture change, and that's not easy to do.

Its hard to know for sure, exactly what it is, but I suspect something is more deep rooted, I watch other teams and they seem to run off the ball more, and compete for the ball more.

When it gets like this, its a combination of related things.....I just hope we can come through it.

Ps Just watched "All or nothing " Arsenal fly on the wall video....seems like Arteta, had similar problems.

Edited August 21, 2022 by TRO

[Zhan_Zhuang]

All has a feeling of inevitability about it...

I couldn't be less excited to see Villa play at present, reminds me of Garde times...

Seem to be both rudderless on the pitch, in the management and coaching also. Palace were openly mocking the team in the second-half on Saturday, we are a joke.

[sheepyvillian]

23 minutes ago, TRO said:

FWIW I tend to agree sheepy.....it needs a culture change, and that's not easy to do.

Its hard to know for sure, exactly what it is, but I suspect something is more deep rooted, I watch other teams and they seem to run off the ball more, and compete for the ball more.

When it gets like this, its a combination of related things.....I just hope we can come through it.

Ps Just watched "All or nothing " Arsenal fly on the wall video....seems like Arteta, had similar problems.

It's a good point about the Arteta thing with Arsenal. He got rid of players who he thought didn't have the correct attitude. I believe it's the same with us. Until everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet, then there will always be the kind of performances we encountered yesterday.

[The_Steve]

A lot of frustrations on reflection come from the decision making of the players at critical moments. Cash and Martinez at fault for the first goal. Konsa just isn’t the answer either. It would have been a different game had Zaha been sent off. McGinn was also lucky to stay on. Wasn’t happy with the penalty decision. I thought we saw better from Bailey, and I think at times we show our naivety defensively. 

[The_Steve]

1 minute ago, CVByrne said:

He's going to get until the world cup at least and most likely if we are 15th or better he'll be given until the end of the season where a decision would be made if we are still in 14th/15th region. 

He's not in the job a year yet and a change of manager so quickly just seems rash especially if the players are still with him and working hard to learn and improve to the new style.

Two wins against Bolton and West Ham and things look better again. We're an up and down team still, win one or two and lose a few. 

I don't think he's anywhere near being sacked and we need to just hope he and his team get us playing. We looked good against Everton up until they scored. 

We had good periods against Palace at times but too much inconsistency - especially at set pieces. The penalty changed the game. No excuses for our mistakes though. 

[DCJonah]

Just now, The_Steve said:

We had good periods against Palace at times but too much inconsistency - especially at set pieces. The penalty changed the game. No excuses for our mistakes though. 

I think that's being pretty generous. 

They'd already had a goal disallowed for an elbow being offside, missed a sitter from a corner and Martinez had made a couple of key saves. 

[CVByrne]

1 minute ago, The_Steve said:

We had good periods against Palace at times but too much inconsistency - especially at set pieces. The penalty changed the game. No excuses for our mistakes though. 

The problems are clearly the midfield and full backs and finding the right balance. It's not helped by the formation and player changes every week 

[tomsky_11]

3 minutes ago, The_Steve said:

We had good periods against Palace at times but too much inconsistency - especially at set pieces. The penalty changed the game. No excuses for our mistakes though. 

Also, Cash had probably his worst game for us? Pretty critical when they had Zaha, Eze and Mitchell all going at that side of the pitch.

[Vive_La_Villa]

Just now, KentVillan said:

Blaming the players over the manager is fine when a manager first joins a club, and maybe further down the line if he isn’t getting transfer budget from the owners.

At this point in Gerrard’s tenure, blaming the players is just an excuse.

He’s signed Coutinho, Digne, Chambers, Kamara, he’s sold Targett, sent Hause out on loan, lost Chuk, the younger players are coming of age, etc etc… AND had a whole summer to work with them. This is very much his squad now.

He can say “it’s on me” all he likes, what we want to hear is explanations of how he’s going to fix it.

In answer to @CVByrne’s point, it’s not the early results that are the problem. Losing away at Palace is something lots of teams will do this season. It’s the lack of any sign of a vision or coherent explanation of where we go from here. Most people think centre mid is a problem, and yet the key “problem” player has been given the captaincy.

I’ve no problem with Gerrard getting until the World Cup to turn this around, I just don’t really see it happening. Wouldn’t Beale have stuck around if he really believed things were going to improve?

This is a fair point. The manor of defeat was alarming. We really were lucky to only lose by 2 goals.  The thing is it didn’t seem from players not trying, it seemed like it was players completely devoid of any confidence. This is the most worrying thing for me because I considered Gerrard to be a good motivator.

[IrishVilla10]

 

3 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

This is a fair point. The manor of defeat was alarming. We really were lucky to only lose by 2 goals.  The thing is it didn’t seem from players not trying, it seemed like it was players completely devoid of any confidence. This is the most worrying thing for me because I considered Gerrard to be a good motivator.

I don’t think it’s a lack of confidence or effort. It’s a lack of game plan, easily exposed formation, a lack of coaching is the only answer for it. We look like we’re sent out to work things out on the pitch without being told what to do. Zaha exposed us within 10 minutes, did he not watch Liverpool last week? Anderson did what he wanted with the ball. If we continue playing like this it’s insanity  

[Vive_La_Villa]

2 minutes ago, IrishVilla10 said:

 

I don’t think it’s a lack of confidence or effort. It’s a lack of game plan, easily exposed formation, a lack of coaching is the only answer for it. We look like we’re sent out to work things out on the pitch without being told what to do. Zaha exposed us within 10 minutes, did he not watch Liverpool last week? Anderson did what he wanted with the ball. If we continue playing like this it’s insanity  

How does that explain how bad we look from set-pieces ? What the hell is our set piece specialist doing with the team?