nick76 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 35 minutes ago, Rolta said: His control isn't bad at all Come off it, his first touch is poor. Even when he was flying the first season, we said his first touch was poor but his other skills far outweighed that but last when his other skills were less prevalent last season that first touch really stood out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, nick76 said: Come off it, his first touch is poor. Even when he was flying the first season, we said his first touch was poor but his other skills far outweighed that but last when his other skills were less prevalent last season that first touch really stood out. It’s always good to have at least one outstanding attribute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rolta Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, nick76 said: Come off it, his first touch is poor. Even when he was flying the first season, we said his first touch was poor but his other skills far outweighed that but last when his other skills were less prevalent last season that first touch really stood out. I've seen some really bad first touches from a lot of great strikers in the league. Watkins' touch isn't exclusively bad. Sometimes it's bad and sometimes it isn't—he has plenty of instances of good first touches. For me, I just think people jump on the negative instances way too much and I think people often ignore the good. You see it with other players too—they do one bad thing and then that's what they get judged on. I think it's unrealistic. Is his touch outstanding? I'm not saying that either. He's not an £80million striker, but he's a good Premier League striker. Edited July 25, 2022 by Rolta 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Rolta said: I've seen some really bad first touches from a lot of great strikers in the league. Watkins' touch isn't exclusively bad. Sometimes it's bad and sometimes it isn't. For me, I just think people jump on the negative instances way too much and I think people often ignore the good. You see it with other players too—they do one bad thing and then that's what they get judged on. I think it's unrealistic. He's not a £80million striker, but he's a good Premier League striker. While I agree somewhat I would adjust. When you’re having a good season your flaws are ignored/forgiven but when you’re having bad season you’re flaws are more obvious and more part of the problem which furthers fans frustration. I agree he’s not exclusively the only one with a bad touch around the league but he’s our only one and he’s our main striker and his positive attributes aren’t showing up for what seems a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, nick76 said: While I agree somewhat I would adjust. When you’re having a good season your flaws are ignored/forgiven but when you’re having bad season you’re flaws are more obvious and more part of the problem which furthers fans frustration. I agree he’s not exclusively the only one with a bad touch around the league but he’s our only one and he’s our main striker and his positive attributes aren’t showing up for what seems a long time. I’d agree and it’s often not just based on the kind of season a player is having but individual games. If we win, particularly if the player scores, then all is good. If we lose or draw the game people are always searching for reasons. To some extent it’s human nature but football tends to pick out and exaggerate most things. Let’s face it on most football forums players are either regarded as world class or garbage. That can sometimes change game to game or even minute to minute, certainly if there’s a goal involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rolta Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, nick76 said: While I agree somewhat I would adjust. When you’re having a good season your flaws are ignored/forgiven but when you’re having bad season you’re flaws are more obvious and more part of the problem which furthers fans frustration. I agree he’s not exclusively the only one with a bad touch around the league but he’s our only one and he’s our main striker and his positive attributes aren’t showing up for what seems a long time. Last season was a mess for a lot of reasons. Losing Jack was a tragedy in terms of our year on year progress. We lost pretty much the only—well, definitely the best—source for our strikers and their scoring opportunities. I feel that Watkins has been pretty consistently the same in both seasons. I'd say he's been bang on identical. The same variety of touches was there in his first season as last season. The same inconsistent finishing was there. And on the plus side, the same hard work was there. The same hassling of defenders and athleticism. The same ability to get some goals. I think he's taking on a lot of the blame for our bad transfer window last summer. And our fans and fans in general have a habit of jumping on little details and blowing them out of proportion and igoring context. He's a good prem striker and to get better we either have to be insanely lucky and find the level of gem that rarely comes off, or we have to spend serious money and compete with some of the best teams in Europe to a signing. Edited July 25, 2022 by Rolta 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: I’d agree and it’s often not just based on the kind of season a player is having but individual games. If we win, particularly if the player scores, then all is good. If we lose or draw the game people are always searching for reasons. To some extent it’s human nature but football tends to pick out and exaggerate most things. Let’s face it on most football forums players are either regarded as world class or garbage. That can sometimes change game to game or even minute to minute, certainly if there’s a goal involved. Yeah the amount of times a player gets MOTM despite a poor game yet scores a late goal so gets the match honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick76 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rolta said: I feel that Watkins has been pretty consistently the same in both seasons. I'd say he's been bang on identical. The same variety of touches was there in his first season as last season. The same inconsistent finishing was there. And on the plus side, the same hard work was there. The same hassling of defenders and athleticism. The same ability to get some goals. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with this. The Ollie of last season was not the same as the first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted July 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Delphinho123 said: Surely there is somebody out there who can control the ball, has a bit of pace and is good enough to score 10-14 goals as our front man for less than say…£40m? But that’s just Watkins and Ings. Why spend a load of money on something we already have? If we purchase a striker, they need to be the “next level” - someone who can push for 20 goals in a season. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolta Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, nick76 said: I’m sorry but I don’t agree with this. The Ollie of last season was not the same as the first season. We disagree with each other. It doesn't mean anything I know and it's still just my subjective interpretation against yours but I've watched him really closely (I'm sure we all have to be fair!). I'm from around Exeter/Newton Abbot and I love seeing someone from Devon in our team. I believe I saw all the same flaws both seasons. He has his limitations, but his level is still decent and upgrading is not going to be easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villa87 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rolta said: We disagree with each other. It doesn't mean anything I know and it's still just my subjective interpretation against yours but I've watched him really closely (I'm sure we all have to be fair!). I'm from around Exeter/Newton Abbot and I love seeing someone from Devon in our team. I believe I saw all the same flaws both seasons. He has his limitations, but his level is still decent and upgrading is not going to be easy. As somebody else living in South Devon I’m also chuffed to have a player from Devon in our team. Friends of mine played 7 a side against him a few years back and he was ridiculously good (and humble apparently). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, nick76 said: I’m sorry but I don’t agree with this. The Ollie of last season was not the same as the first season. Not singling you out bud but he did have his first child last year as well and anyone who’s had kids will tell you, they’re knackering. I remember in one of the vids from when the players returned for preseason testing you can he Ollie talking to Sanson and saying something like ‘it’s different when you have kids’. I think for where we are now he’s a decent striker, for where we want to go, perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 (edited) I don’t get why a lot of us have decided a certain players such as Watkins isn’t good enough based on last seasons inconsistency. Did the season before that never happen ? Let’s see how they get on this season before completely making our mind up about them. Edited July 25, 2022 by Vive_La_Villa 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feidhlim Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, burchy said: Not singling you out bud but he did have his first child last year as well and anyone who’s had kids will tell you, they’re knackering. I remember in one of the vids from when the players returned for preseason testing you can he Ollie talking to Sanson and saying something like ‘it’s different when you have kids’. I think for where we are now he’s a decent striker, for where we want to go, perhaps not. Yeah I had mentioned that exact point to a buddy of mine. But then I figured he would have to have hired some help in the house for late night feeds etc, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burchy Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Depends how hands on he and his partner are with the little one. I guess you can buy whatever when he’s on what he’s on but he seems like a family orientated type of bloke so perhaps the ‘nanny’ might not have happened. I always remember the one bit of advice I got before my daughter was born, ‘get some sleep’. I laughed it off at the time, only bit of advice I should have listened to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 So glad I didn't and won't have kids. Anyway--transfers pleeeeease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, nick76 said: I’m sorry but I don’t agree with this. The Ollie of last season was not the same as the first season. Possibly a change in expectations too though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, burchy said: Not singling you out bud but he did have his first child last year as well and anyone who’s had kids will tell you, they’re knackering As a father I agree entirely. However I’d have to say a footballers life is difficult to compare to most of ours. The average job means a person goes out for perhaps 9 or 10 hours a day. Whereas a footballer perhaps on a none match day probably usually is just out for the morning and is super fit too. I’m not sure the tiredness would be such a big factor. For me perhaps it was more the complete change in absolutely everything I knew or perceived before the day arrived. It was certainly a game changer! Maybe Ollie lost a bit of focus, hopefully he’ll recapture it this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delphinho123 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Footballers on the wages he is on will have a lot of help with children. I doubt he gets up in the night at all and his tiredness will be from his work. Sorry, I just can’t get on board with the idea his new child is the reason he struggled last year. If anything, I think it would make him better as when I had my children my performance at work increased I think because everything was about providing for them rather me going out and getting pissed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic09 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 56 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: I don’t get why a lot of us have decided a certain players such as Watkins isn’t good enough based on last seasons inconsistency. Did the season before that never happen ? Let’s see how they get on this season before completely making our mind up about them. To be fair you probably should judge a player on a sample of last season. If not, then Konsa should be our starting CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts