burchy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, duke313 said: Otavio would be a good signing, he's a CL quality player. But we still need a more defensive minded CM. I quite the look of Thuram at Nice, if we were to let Nakamba go then he’d offer cover for Kamara and also give us the option of having 2 CDMS in a 4231 Laimer would be my choice as an alternative to Otavio but there’s talk he’s off to Bayern unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, OutByEaster? said: So I read in a couple of places that the end of the FFP period now makes a difference to when clubs do business. Today is the last day of the current FFP period, with the 1st July marking the start of the new year - is there a chance we might begin our second wave of recruitment tomorrow morning? I was thinking this. For us we would want to have a higher profit in accounts starting 1st July 2022 than accounts ending 30th June if we had any consideration about the FFP rules. But the squad cost rule which is 70% of revenue is calculated over a calendar year so it will fully take in any transfers done in the windows as opposed to the manipulation you can do with it ending on 30th June and signing people after then. Our accounts with the Jack sale are very healthy. So it would be best if we made any future player sales from 1st July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacketspuds Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 As well as us potentially making bids for players once the new FFP window starts, maybe we'll actually start to see bids come in for our players once other clubs are under fewer financial constraints. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMcGrath_5 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, jacketspuds said: As well as us potentially making bids for players once the new FFP window starts, maybe we'll actually start to see bids come in for our players once other clubs are under fewer financial constraints. Looks like we are starting off by getting a good fee for Trezeguet. More than I expected anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke313 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, burchy said: I quite the look of Thuram at Nice, if we were to let Nakamba go then he’d offer cover for Kamara and also give us the option of having 2 CDMS in a 4231 Laimer would be my choice as an alternative to Otavio but there’s talk he’s off to Bayern unfortunately. I wonder are we possibly going to see a switch to a 4231? Otavio looks like a very versatile player, but he doesn't really fit the mold of a box-to-box type that we need for an #8. Otavio might be able to play that role, but to me seems like a big risk paying £30m+ for a player who has not played that role before in a league he's never played in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa82 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said: Most talking about it are talking about it from the perspective of Clubs having to sell before today. If you're under the FFP line by end of today, it can have implications - less so in the Prem (though Everton talked about a lot) https://theathletic.com/3382149/2022/06/25/everton-transfer-window-importance-june-30/?amp=1 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/18999164/everton-sell-chelsea-tottenham-richarlison/amp/ But quite a bit more important abroad. Spanish clubs for example have some serious complications if they aren't above the line by end of today. Atleti have said if they don't raise €40m today then for every €3 euros they generate July onwards, they could only reinvest €1. Barca are considering selling their TV rights, parts of their media company, De Jong to United. Sevilla saved themselves the hassle by selling us Diego Carlos - otherwise they'd be selling Kounde for penny's on the pound today. Are we sure we have paid for him before today? Strange he still not in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I think we're waiting on the bigger clubs to make their signings so their secondary targets are then interested in coming to us. Patience is needed to get those players who are CL level who want to go to a Tottenham or Chelsea and who will need to settle with Villa when those clubs get their first targets 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, villa82 said: Are we sure we have paid for him before today? Strange he still not in the squad. Yes it's an agreed deal, when a player gets registered as part of the new clubs squad isn't the same thing as including a sale in your financial accounts. We got a good price for him as Seville needed the sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerryBarrPet Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, CVByrne said: I was thinking this. For us we would want to have a higher profit in accounts starting 1st July 2022 than accounts ending 30th June if we had any consideration about the FFP rules. But the squad cost rule which is 70% of revenue is calculated over a calendar year so it will fully take in any transfers done in the windows as opposed to the manipulation you can do with it ending on 30th June and signing people after then. Our accounts with the Jack sale are very healthy. So it would be best if we made any future player sales from 1st July. I am hoping this is the case. If it is then I expect that our bean counters have been all over it and we are primed and ready to go………. he says hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 It it’s Otavio or nobody then I’d like us to sign him. But I think we all know there’s other areas that are the priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 15 hours ago, villa4europe said: It think it comes from posts back in March to the extent "big summer, we need 14 new players" how many posts in here want us to sell half of the starting 11 and buy new players? it was never going to happen Too many want a new player in every position and its unrealistic Its usually preceded by "if we want Europe next year" too, I don't believe that, we needed quality in key positions and to get more consistency out of what we already have, especially the strikers This is a long game I agree. We also have to factor in, that as we keep adding better quality, existing players will be affected by new recruits, for the better. I have seen it in the past, where exisiting players have upped their game as a result of team strengthening. It think that will naturally happen. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 19 minutes ago, PerryBarrPet said: I am hoping this is the case. If it is then I expect that our bean counters have been all over it and we are primed and ready to go………. he says hopefully! It's important to note it's only sales that matter as they instantly hit the financial accounts. Signing players is spread over life of the contract. I believe Targett's Loan had the option to buy which Newcastle exercised. Hopefully we see more player sales start happening in July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, HKP90 said: Not sure why he's sad, look at his wife. & wearing a Villa top too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Teales Moustache Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I saw an opinion yesterday that I agreed with, so I went digging for some stats. I'll preface this by saying this is about as relevant as xG is as a "stat", because it looks at some actual stats and draws conclusions without considering a bunch of other relevant factors. Regardless, I thought it was interesting, as it went way against what I previously believed. I want us to play with Buendia and Coutinho behind Watkins, so I looked at games Villa started with all combinations of Buendia, Coutinho, Watkins and Ings to see which was most successful - thinking we were much better with both. I was surprised to find that we were most successful with NEITHER Buendia or Coutinho starting. We played 6 games where neither started, and won 3, so 1.5 points per game - the best 2 combinations we had (Watkins solo and Watkins/Ings). We also played 6 with both starting, and won 1, drew 1, lost 4 - so 0.66 points per game - worst (Ings, Buendia, Coutinho) and 3rd worst (Watkins, Buendia, Coutinho). Even more interesting, the 6 games we played with neither were on paper far tougher than the 6 with both. Every other combination of the 4 players were in between those extremes, and getting into the details there shows how arbitrary these stats are (STILL GIGAWATTS MORE RELEVANT THAN xG). Anyway, I still want us to play both Buendia and Coutinho, so my biased opinion is that if we're going to play two lightweight guys like that, we need to add some more physicality in midfield to balance it out. That's why I don't see the benefit of another skillful whippet like Otavio, when the midfield is already too lightweight. I don't see the benefit if a guy like JWP, who I think is basically in the same tier/style of player as Luiz, Sanson and is at very, very best insignificantly better. He's definitely not going to beef up the midfield. I don't want a Conor Gallagher, even though he and JWP are unboubtedly very good players. I want a big, strong, fast, technical guy, who's good in the air and scores goals. Is that too much to ask for? Also, if we're going for a fancy pants guy, Lucas Paqueta > Otavio. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 11 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: I was only joking the other day when I said bring him home... but what are him and his wife playing at? Is that a very old photo ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Zatman said: He has recurring nightmares of a man attacking him, he is wearing a gilet while doing his funky tactical dance He didn't do a lot of dancing, in fact he didn't do a lot of anything, but he's wearing a gilet and he looks like an assassin below: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 In some ways it would be nice if Veretout returned. We were a shambles of a club when he joined and are worlds apart from that now. Could make right his whole nightmare experience with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is that a very old photo ? Not a photo, looks like it's a screen grab from Tiktok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Is that a very old photo ? Yes, it was clearly taken in 1704. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said: Not a photo, looks like it's a screen grab from Tiktok? Pretty recent then. His wife probably wears it round the house or to sleep in. Comfort clothes you have for years and never want to throw away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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