Xela Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 If I was the management, I'd be going out to win this now. Bring back the big guns like Carney, JPB and AJ where possible and go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I want to win the JPT Yoof Cup last year to that cup this year feels like a natural progression The final is at Wembley too and I'm sure with the buzz around these youngsters and that place being our 2nd home we'd take a fair few down for it, that kind of experience would be huge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, villa4europe said: I want to win the JPT Yoof Cup last year to that cup this year feels like a natural progression The final is at Wembley too and I'm sure with the buzz around these youngsters and that place being our 2nd home we'd take a fair few down for it, that kind of experience would be huge Yep i agree. As it stands we could put a pretty decent team on the pitch in the upcoming rounds even with a few injured and out on loan Bidace Archer Chuk2 Chuk 1 Iroegbunam Ramsey Swinkels Feeney Bogarde Ealing Sinisalo 4 x 19 years old 4 x 17 years old 2 x 18 years old 1 x 16 years old 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGaalsOrangeArmy Posted October 6, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted October 6, 2021 11 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said: Yep . Massive thanks needs to go to the set up that is allowing players to thrive . And as you say the depth is extraordinary. I do those back of the fag packet line ups for fun and we have a starting xI that might actually make it Bidace Archer Caleb Carney Bogarde Iroegbunam Chrisene Swinkels Feeney Kesler Sinisalo And thats scary because theres still Aarom Ramsey , Arjan Raikhy Brad Young Revan and Louie Barry that could be in there as well. Brilliant work at BMH going on Thanks for putting Bogarde in midfield! He was so spectaculair here in the Feyenoord youth on that position! Really hope they won't definitely turn him into a defender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 6, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted October 6, 2021 31 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said: Yep i agree. As it stands we could put a pretty decent team on the pitch in the upcoming rounds even with a few injured and out on loan Bidace Archer Chuk2 Chuk 1 Iroegbunam Ramsey Swinkels Feeney Bogarde Ealing Sinisalo 4 x 19 years old 4 x 17 years old 2 x 18 years old 1 x 16 years old If we really want to go for it we still have the other Ramsey too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I think it's probably seen to be in bad taste for a Premier League side to reach the final in the EFL Trophy and deny a lower league side the chance to play at Wembley. Us and other Premier League club's entering the competition is more about giving young players experience playing against first team opposition. Also it's incredibly difficult for a U21 team to win it anyway, you only have to look at the other results this season and in previous seasons to see the gap between U23 football and first team football, even in the lower leagues, even the PL sides that qualify for the knockout stages are well beaten eventually. Against MK Dons I wouldn't be surprised to see us play more of the fringe U23 players such as Tommi O'Reilly, Reddin, Hart, Sewell and so on from the start, as it's a perfect opportunity to give them the experience of playing against first team opposition and will probably see similar thinking from us in the knockout stages which will probably lead to us being defeated, but us giving game time to as many of our highly rated youngsters as possible even if means us getting knocked out of the tournament will be seen as more valuable than playing our strongest U21 team and progressing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exeter Fan Too Posted October 6, 2021 Visiting Supporter Share Posted October 6, 2021 14 hours ago, Vive_La_Villa said: Was it a strong Burton team? Burton made 9 changes to the starting line up from Saturday's league game. That's par for the course for EFL clubs in the group stages- the game I followed last night both EFL teams had made 9 changes from the weekend. So for most its a reserve team made up of fringe players, youngsters and first choice players returning from injury. EFL League 1 and 2 reserve sides are however quite a bit stronger nowadays - since the rule change preventing them loaning in any players outside the transfer window - everyone has to have two players for every position just in case their ,say, left back breaks a leg on in early September. So 9 changes might not be as dramatic as first appears - see the debate on here about whether Chelsea's changed team in the Carabao Cup was 'first choice' ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, MaVilla said: so what is the point of the Papa Johns Trophy?, even the League 1/2 clubs seem to treat it like it completely unimportant? There is no point. It used to be a lower league trophy to go for, but the entering of Premier League U21 teams has (rightly, IMO) pissed off the lower league clubs. Fans boycott the games, the teams don't give a shit and rotate their squads for it. You'll get good money for a decent League Cup/F.A. Cup run but nothing in this. It's a massive waste of time. (Edit: But obviously well done our U21 side ) Edited October 6, 2021 by bobzy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 I had a look on a Burton forum last night and they seemed to think that they'd named a strong team, it might not have been their usual starting eleven but I don't think any team plays their starting eleven in the EFL Trophy, but more often than not the lower league clubs beat the PL U21 sides comfortably, so a good achievement by us last night either way and you could argue we didn't play our strongest U21 team, the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Thorndike, and Chrisene were missing, and Frith - presumably because he wasn't allowed to play... Which goes back to what I was saying earlier, in this competition we might not always play our strongest team, or the one most likely to win a game, but rather the team will be picked based on which players will get the most benefit from the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 6, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted October 6, 2021 Pizza stats updated. Next round of fixtures (not this weekend) Even our stiffs derby is a midday kickoff Friday 15th 13:00 Burnley(11) v Norwich(7) 19:00 Fulham(1) v Reading(9) Saturday 16th 12:00 sha(12) v Aston Villa(3) Sunday 17th 13:00 Middlesbro(10)v West Brom(2) Monday 18th 14:00 Wolves(5) v Southampton(14) 19:00 Stoke City(8) v Notts Forest(4) 19:00 Sunderland(13)v Newcastle(6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 1 hour ago, bobzy said: There is no point. It used to be a lower league trophy to go for, but the entering of Premier League U21 teams has (rightly, IMO) pissed off the lower league clubs. Fans boycott the games, the teams don't give a shit and rotate their squads for it. You'll get good money for a decent League Cup/F.A. Cup run but nothing in this. It's a massive waste of time. (Edit: But obviously well done our U21 side ) not for us if our youngsters win a trophy at this level then there is a point to it, if we win it by beating Sunderland's reserves then so be it since they changed the rules leicester and man city have made a quarter final and chelsea made it to the semis, thats it for an academy, would be great for us if we won it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 3 hours ago, BOF said: Saturday 16th 12:00 sha(12) v Aston Villa(3) So we could go to the sty then back Villa Park in time for the dingles at 3pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 On the JPT and trying to win it and getting our day out at Wembley, just seen we took 700 last night Fair play to our support, the buzz around this team is there, we'd take a fair few down to the big smoke if we got there Can you imagine if these kids got a final at Wembley in front of 20k villa fans? Probably more too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 06/10/2021 at 18:51, villa4europe said: On the JPT and trying to win it and getting our day out at Wembley, just seen we took 700 last night Fair play to our support, the buzz around this team is there, we'd take a fair few down to the big smoke if we got there Can you imagine if these kids got a final at Wembley in front of 20k villa fans? Probably more too We'd do what small heath did in Leyland DAF.... take 250k down with us and pack out all the pubs in town. Mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Have we got any true DMs in our Academy? Or are they all CMs/AMs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Xela said: Have we got any true DMs in our Academy? Or are they all CMs/AMs? Lemare Bogarde even though he is playing centre half Hayden Lindley sits all night but with great passing range . The rest are all centre mids who can play offensive and defensive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 7, 2021 Author Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2021 Todd Alcock is a DCM. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 The funny thing with Bogarde is that when he was playing in midfield for us he wasn't really playing as a DM, more of a box-to-box midfielder, there was a few times when I'd be watching streams with not great quality and I'd get Bogarde and Chukwuemeka mixed up as they both have a similar ease on the ball and ability to carry it forward, Bogarde shows those same qualities even playing in defence, I watched the replay of the Burton game and thought he was excellent. The players who've been playing as DMs for the U23s are Lindley and Iroegbunam but neither of those two are out and out DMs in the old fashioned sense of of a DM where their main job is to be almost like an extra defender, Iroegbunam is more of an all rounder, and Lindley is more known for his passing, although I've noticed recently the defensive side of his game is improving. Todd Alcock I saw briefly last season playing for the U18s when he came on as a sub in the game that was streamed by Arsenal, he kind of reminded me of a mixture of Raikhy and Lindley, he had good workrate and looks like he's a really good passer of the ball, his passes were really crisp and precise, had an air about him that made him look like a 'natural footballer', was interesting to see him on the bench against Burton. I think Sylla was the closest we had to an out and out DM in the old fashioned sense, but he of course left because of limited opportunites. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, BOF said: Todd Alcock is a DCM. Great name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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