sidcow Posted November 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2022 Just now, Tom13 said: Who said he's useless? Many people have said he has strengths, but also some huge weaknesses. If you can't see the glaring weaknesses in his game, you must be blind. Read back through the thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidcow Posted November 6, 2022 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2022 On 29/10/2022 at 19:30, Tom13 said: Emery is gonna have a shock going from managing all those technically gifted players in La Liga to the likes of Watkins. Yeah, he's going to run a mile when he sees Watkins can only tear Man United 2 new assholes. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 37 minutes ago, sidcow said: Yeah, he's going to run a mile when he sees Watkins can only tear Man United 2 new assholes. Touché Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomav84 Posted November 6, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 6, 2022 shades of the liverpool 7-2 today just without the goals. i'd say his best performance this calendar year, and i include brighton away in that he's going to enjoy the emery system methinks 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) The first goal summed him up in a way. Although it was good feet and a very well executed pass, watching it back, he should be playing that pass a second or two earlier. Might sound picky but it can make a difference. Luckily the space was still there to exploit. I want him to improve and succeed as much as anyone, as I've said, certain aspects of his game are top drawer. It's just the others that need work. I was most likely wrong to write him off under Unai but that Newcastle performance annoyed the hell outta me. Edited November 7, 2022 by Tom13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Wouldn't surprise me to see him becoming one of Unai's favorites. Fans don't like him but managers do. There's much more to the modern centre forward role than scoring 'a' goal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannedfromHandV Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Wouldn't surprise me to see him becoming one of Unai's favorites. Fans don't like him but managers do. There's much more to the modern centre forward role than scoring 'a' goal. But fans do like him, it’s just that he’s limited, or has been until now at least anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said: But fans do like him, it’s just that he’s limited, or has been until now at least anyway. People in here has been constantly bashing him for over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Pinebro said: People in here has been constantly bashing him for over a year. They bash him when he does a mings. When he plays like he did yesterday he is unstoppable. The problem is has it in him to make big time clangers that cost us games Hopefully under a proper manager and good coaching we are going to see mings go next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinebro Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: They bash him when he does a mings. When he plays like he did yesterday he is unstoppable. The problem is has it in him to make big time clangers that cost us games Hopefully under a proper manager and good coaching we are going to see mings go next level Reason he gets into those goal scoring positions to begin with is all the hard work he puts into every game. But of course that never gets noticed by fans. You can be a striker and miss 3 sitters and still have an amazing game. I know this might surprise some people. Edited November 7, 2022 by Pinebro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Pinebro said: Reason he gets into those goal scoring positions to begin with is all the hard work he puts into every game. But of course that never gets noticed by fans. Was referring to mings not ollie. But ollie was amassive improvement yesterday. Im hoping we see the ollie of the 1st season back. He really does need to improve his away performances as they have been really poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, Pinebro said: Wouldn't surprise me to see him becoming one of Unai's favorites. Fans don't like him but managers do. There's much more to the modern centre forward role than scoring 'a' goal. I like him a lot. He’s gone backwards over the past 18 months - but he hasn’t been used to his strengths and his confidence has shattered. I hope we see more like we did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 20 hours ago, rodders0223 said: So you get players in and around your striker, so he doesn't have to fend off three players ,whilst continuing to hold the ball for an eternity as he is pulled pillar to post....whilst he watches his entire team stand on the halfway admiring it. Weird that. Bingo. Watkins has been playing well for a while IMO but he's been absolutely isolated and expected to either fend off 2 centre backs or run at entire defences on his own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bobzy Posted November 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Tom13 said: Who said he's useless? Many people have said he has strengths, but also some huge weaknesses. If you can't see the glaring weaknesses in his game, you must be blind. This is an interesting take Here's a selection from literally one page: On 29/10/2022 at 16:40, MCU said: Not having the excuse he’s not playing in his natural position either. He’s utter shite wherever he plays. Sooner we move him on the better On 29/10/2022 at 16:40, Tom13 said: I can't stand watching him much longer. He must be the dumbest footballer in the league. Like watching a competition winner, no over exaggeration. On 29/10/2022 at 16:41, villarule123 said: We aren't going anywhere with this guy starting in the team. My word he is shit. On 29/10/2022 at 16:48, Mark_1989 said: Been saying it for 18 months this guy is TRASH couldn’t care less if he’s a nice guy or not - looks miserable and isn’t beyond useless. On 29/10/2022 at 16:49, juanpablosaliceband said: Indescribably bad. Sell sell sell. We might find a fool willing to buy him. On 29/10/2022 at 16:58, StefanAVFC said: I’m in actual disbelief at how atrocious a footballer he is. On 29/10/2022 at 16:58, R.Bear said: Isnt good enough and never will be good enough. A Championship striker at best. On 29/10/2022 at 17:01, villanmac said: In terms of technical ability, has to be easily the worst player to ever play week in week out for this club. In recent memory the likes of Reo Coker and Cuellar were bad but at least they were defensive players. On 29/10/2022 at 17:05, Farlz said: He's one of the very worst players in the league, full stop. Never mind just strikers. One of the absolute worst players there is. We need to replace him asap while we can still get any sort of money for him. Yeah, it's just "his weaknesses" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom13 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, bobzy said: This is an interesting take Here's a selection from literally one page: Yeah, it's just "his weaknesses" I did feel like I'd had enough of him after the Newcastle game. Yet here he is, performing well a week later. Hold my hands up, that was an extreme view, but most of what I say about him I stand by. But I do know he has certain very good qualities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted November 7, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted November 7, 2022 I've slagged him off a lot, I wasn't his biggest fan even when he had Grealish putting them on a plate for him. What I will say is, every player deserves a clean slate with a proper manager now at the club. Lets be honest, we had an absolute chancer controlling things before, he even managed to make one of the world's best keepers look bad at times, so every player deserves a new start with a manager who will know how to get the best out of each player. You cannot deny that Ollie works his bollocks off, but I suspect he will be one of the first players to replace in the long run, along with Mings when Carlos returns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancvillan Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, villarule123 said: I suspect he will be one of the first players to replace in the long run Hedging your bets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, villarule123 said: I've slagged him off a lot, I wasn't his biggest fan even when he had Grealish putting them on a plate for him. What I will say is, every player deserves a clean slate with a proper manager now at the club. Lets be honest, we had an absolute chancer controlling things before, he even managed to make one of the world's best keepers look bad at times, so every player deserves a new start with a manager who will know how to get the best out of each player. You cannot deny that Ollie works his bollocks off, but I suspect he will be one of the first players to replace in the long run, along with Mings when Carlos returns. Really depends on how Emery wants us to play. Ollie as a focal point striker who needs to score the goals? Yeah, he'll be replaced. Ollie as a generic forward player who moves into channels and creates space for midfielders to break into the box? He's pretty much ideal for that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWARLEY2 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Ollie jsnt a bad player but he is a limited player. He can have awful games though where his touch is abysmal. And then in other games look like a perfectly good prem league striker. Maybe he needs confidence. And if thats the case then Emery might be perfect for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepyvillian Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 (edited) I've just read a piece where Ollie is making an oblique reference to the last manager by saying how refreshing it was by not having to constantly battle defenders for high balls. Also mentioned how everyone is all in with the new manager. Tbf, he did look in a happier place last Sunday, as did most of them. Edited November 8, 2022 by sheepyvillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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