The Hung Like a Donkey General Election December 2019 Thread

[snowychap]

9 minutes ago, welnik said:

Hmm...

I read what you wrote - you didn't answer what was asked of you.

How about this question:

3 hours ago, snowychap said:

4 hours ago, welnik said:

point 1) 1975 through to 1979 - under a socialist government...compulsory 3 day working weeks

Do you mean the Three-Day Work Order?

Edited November 25, 2019 by snowychap

[NurembergVillan]

3 minutes ago, bickster said:

 

The young people are standing up to be counted.

[Awol]

7 hours ago, lapal_fan said:

I genuinely don't understand the Corbyn is a Marxist/anti-semite thing.

What has he done (or the labour party in that respect)?

It's not a good look to me (uninformed).

This is an unprecedented intervention by the Chief Rabbi. Lots of commentary on Twitter that it's part on an Israeli plot, rather making his point.. 

 

 

[peterms]

3 minutes ago, Awol said:

This is an unprecedented intervention by the Chief Rabbi. Lots of commentary on Twitter that it's part on an Israeli plot, rather making his point.. 

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1199089016060207104?s=20

The comments in the thread are more interesting than the ravings of the rabbi.  Poor old sod.

And not unprecedented.  See countless comments by Jonathan Sachs, including on suppoosedly nonpolitical Thought For The Day.

[Awol]

Just now, peterms said:

The comments in the thread are more interesting than the ravings of the rabbi.  Poor old sod.

And not unprecedented.  See countless comments by Jonathan Sachs, including on suppoosedly nonpolitical Thought For The Day.

It's an absolutely unprecedented intervention in a UK election. Sachs is a very sensible guy, I'm not surprised at all that he's consistently raised the issue of Labour anti-semitism, because it's a revolting stain on our nation. 

As for claiming the Rabbi is "raving", he might know a thing or two about anti-semitism. Trying to deligitimize him as a silly old man instead of engaging with his argument is pretty sinister, frankly.  

[welnik]

14 minutes ago, snowychap said:

I read what you wrote - you didn't answer what was asked of you.

How about this question:

 

Ooh, you got me there good and proper, do you feel superior now?

[markavfc40]

27 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

The young people are standing up to be counted.

Hopefully as it is their futures that will be most affected.

[peterms]

1 minute ago, Awol said:

It's an absolutely unprecedented intervention in a UK election. Sachs is a very sensible guy, I'm not surprised at all that he's consistently raised the issue of Labour anti-semitism, because it's a revolting stain on our nation. 

As for claiming the Rabbi is "raving", he might know a thing or two about anti-semitism. Trying to deligitimize him as a silly old man instead of engaging with his argument is pretty sinister, frankly.  

Sachs is a diehard tory.  He is a vehicle for the smear campaign, a tool of the Israeli embassy, a man with no honest position on this issue.

And references to "Labour antisemitism" are a clear signal of propaganda, not reasoned discussion, to anyone who has paid more than the most cursory attention to this.

[chrisp65]

I’ve struggled with this anti Semitic thing.

I’ve read the accusations against Corbyn, always guilt by association. I’ve looked at his actions and voting record. I can’t find where voting Labour would be a threat to the soul of the country? I’d appreciate anybody that could give me a couple of definite facts about Corbyn being anti Semite.

Right now, I’m edging towards pro Israel conservative friend of Boris Johnson weighing in against Corbyn in the days the polls begin to narrow.

Happy to see it laid out in front of me.

[Awol]

Just now, peterms said:

Sachs is a diehard tory.  He is a vehicle for the smear campaign, a tool of the Israeli embassy, a man with no honest position on this issue.

And references to "Labour antisemitism" are a clear signal of propaganda, not reasoned discussion, to anyone who has paid more than the most cursory attention to this.

'He's a Tory', 'It's an Israeli plot', 'what anti-semitism?'

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself mate. 

[peterms]

1 minute ago, Awol said:

'He's a Tory', 'It's an Israeli plot', 'what anti-semitism?'

Jesus Christ, listen to yourself mate. 

Listen to yourself, mate.

[Awol]

7 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I’ve struggled with this anti Semitic thing.

I’ve read the accusations against Corbyn, always guilt by association. I’ve looked at his actions and voting record. I can’t find where voting Labour would be a threat to the soul of the country? I’d appreciate anybody that could give me a couple of definite facts about Corbyn being anti Semite.

Right now, I’m edging towards pro Israel conservative friend of Boris Johnson weighing in against Corbyn in the days the polls begin to narrow.

Happy to see it laid out in front of me.

Start with this thread (Labour Councillor) and have a read of his timeline following on from it. 

[snowychap]

18 minutes ago, welnik said:

Ooh, you got me there good and proper, do you feel superior now?

Nothing about anyone trying to feel superior or otherwise to anyone else. Asking a question to clarify what you were on about.

Does the mean that you did or didn't mean to include the three day week in your diatribe about the 1970s?

Edited November 25, 2019 by snowychap

[welnik]

Just now, snowychap said:

Does that mean that you did or didn't mean to include the three day week in your diatribe about the 1970s?

Did it not happen then? 

[snowychap]

Just now, welnik said:

Did it not happen then? 

As per my edit above, I was asking you what you meant when you spoke about compulsory three day working weeks - did you mean the Three-Day Work Order?

[peterms]

5 hours ago, welnik said:

point 1) 1975 through to 1979 - under a socialist government, industry was catastrophically inefficient and held to ransom by trade unions that were so pervasive that they told the Government of the day how to run the Country.  For those that are old enough to remember (like myself), 1977, green goddesses on the streets because the firemen were on strike, the winter of discontent 78-79, bodies not being buried, rubbish being piled up in the streets, compulsory 3 day working weeks and power cuts.............. and why, because, there was no money left. Denis Healey had to go cap in hand to the IMF for an emergency loan because of overspending. Even though we have a soveriegn currency! So all we had to do was print more money.  Inflation was rampant and things were tough. During this time we were laughingly known as "the sick man of Europe". Brilliant

I'd like to think this is a parody, but sadly I suspect isn't.

Parts  are straight out of the Daily Mail c1975, preserved for posterity for no sound reason.

Parts are just wrong, eg attributing the 1974 3 day week to the 1975 government.   Doh!

This would have failed an O level even in 1976.  Do better.  If you can.

[cyrusr]

I was born in the 80s so don’t perhaps appreciate the 3 day week as others, but oddly overheard someone in the holte suite stating the same issue as to why they won’t vote Labour. 
 

Please correct me if I am wrong in thinking but is it this one?

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The Three-Day Week was one of several measures introduced in the United Kingdom by the Conservative government to conserve electricity, the generation of which was severely restricted owing to industrial action by coal miners. The effect was that from 1 January until 7 March 1974 (also the same month the 1973–74 oil crisis ended) commercial users of electricity were limited to three specified consecutive days' consumption each week and prohibited from working longer hours on those days. Services deemed essential (e.g. hospitals, supermarkets and newspaper printing presses) were exempt. Television companies were required to cease broadcasting at 10.30 pm during the crisis to conserve electricity, although the restrictions were dropped after a general election was called.

So am I right in understanding that it was a Tory policy at a time that the Tories being in power for 3/4 years? Sure it seems that the trade unions were causing difficulties and the Labour government struggled to manage them, hence the arrival of Thatcher; however apart from that I am struggling why it was labours policy of socialism that caused it? To me it seems that both parties played a part of it, but more due to the increased power of trade unions rather than socialism. @welnik Is that wrong? Or is that what @snowychap and @peterms are suggesting?

If I am wrong, happy to be corrected by anyone   

[Wainy316]

So is anyone able to state why we SHOULD vote Tory rather than why we shouldn’t vote Labour?

[colhint]

1 hour ago, peterms said:

I'd like to think this is a parody, but sadly I suspect isn't.

Parts  are straight out of the Daily Mail c1975, preserved for posterity for no sound reason.

Parts are just wrong, eg attributing the 1974 3 day week to the 1975 government.   Doh!

This would have failed an O level even in 1976.  Do better.  If you can.

Not really I think a fail or d level would have been below 40%. As he got most things correct apart from the 3 day week, it would probably be  B+  Parts of your post seem to be out of the Daily Mirror for no sound reason.

[colhint]

22 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

So is anyone able to state why we SHOULD vote Tory rather than why we shouldn’t vote Labour?

Perhaps because, with the exception of Blair,  in the last three quarters of a century, every Labour government has been kicked out of power after one term because the economy was screwed. And even he changed the name to new Labour.