Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Junxs said: I listen to 4 or 5 different football podcasts, in the past few weeks they have all been spending at least half the show talking about womens football. So thats why I feel its being forced on us. The other day I wanted to watch some world cup cricket but only had access to Sky Sports main event, and they were showing womens cricket rather than the World cup game that only comes around every 4 years. I want it in off topic/other football because it's got nothing to do with Aston Villa. When we sell a player it gets moved to other football.. well these women cant ever play for Aston Villa. I don't hear people saying well if you don't want to read about Alan Hutton etc you can skip over it When it reaches the point of the podcast when they start talking about the women’s game, you can stop listening. I dare say the talk will subside the closer we get to August. The cricket, well I don’t know. But I’d be surprised if such a unique game wasn’t being shown anywhere. Again, you don’t have to watch the women’s cricket, there’s an off switch. The Aston Villa women’s team does has something to do with Aston Villa, the first two words are the giveaway. As it stands, Alan Hutton no longer has any involvement with Aston Villa, if he comes back in some capacity, I’m sure his thread will be moved back. I don’t understand why the new kit thread gets the traffic it does, the investment people have in new designs. It’s just going to be changed the following season and we’ll see the similar designs again. But while I don’t get why the popularity of the thread, what I don’t do is go in and complain about the relevance of discussing it. It’s currently Villa related, so it’s there. 4 minutes ago, Junxs said: There will be individual threads on all the players before we know it. Again, if that does happen, you can chose not to read them. For a long time women weren’t given the choice of whether they could play to a competitive level. Whether you like it or not, the game owes them some support. If that support means that you or I have to click on page 2 of On Topic to try and find the thread we want to read and post in, then I can live with that. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Junxs said: No, theres been an U21s tournament, Copa America and the AFCON, its all been overshadowed by womens World Cup. Where do you draw the line? There will be individual threads on all the players before we know it. Fair enough but it's the World Cup. Any of those other competitions when they're on in other years normally get f*** all coverage. I wouldn't really draw any line anywhere. If people want to discuss the women's team and individual players let them on. They play for Villa albeit the women's team. This is the Villa Talk forum, and therefore at the moment, this is where threads on the women's team and the individual players belong. If the mods want to set up a completely different set of forums (villa talk - women, other football - women) for women's football then that might be a solution for people who want to avoid it completely but at the moment this is where these threads belong. Until then the people who don't want to read these threads can just not open the threads I suppose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Willard Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Growing the brand of Aston Villa. Great news, tapping into the other 50% of the population. I'd love Villa to be dominating men's and women's football. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: The cricket, well I don’t know. But I’d be surprised if such a unique game wasn’t being shown anywhere. Again, you don’t have to watch the women’s cricket, there’s an off switch. Sorry but thats a cop out. It's like Villa fans saying Liverpool & Man u are always on and being told theres an off switch. The womens cricket was being shown ahead of the world cup game, switching it off doesnt mean the other match would magically come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: For a long time women weren’t given the choice of whether they could play to a competitive level. Whether you like it or not, the game owes them some support. If that support means that you or I have to click on page 2 of On Topic to try and find the thread we want to read and post in, then I can live with that. I've alreeady said I appreciate what they do, and believe it nor not I have been watching the womens football too. I just don't think should be mixed with the mens coverage. Make separate podcasts, make subforums, dont retweet. IE dont force it. If people are genuinely interested they can can find their way to it rather than be forced to skip over it thats all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Junxs said: Sorry but thats a cop out. It's like Villa fans saying Liverpool & Man u are always on and being told theres an off switch. The womens cricket was being shown ahead of the world cup game, switching it off doesnt mean the other match would magically come on. Who said anything about it magically coming on? The game you wanted to watch wasn’t on sky sports. A women’s game was on instead. Your problem is with sky sports, not women’s cricket. And yes, if a Villa fan is complaining about Man Utd or Liverpool being on, then they don’t have to watch that either. It’s really simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Shropshire Lad said: Who said anything about it magically coming on? The game you wanted to watch wasn’t on sky sports. A women’s game was on instead. Your problem is with sky sports, not women’s cricket. And yes, if a Villa fan is complaining about Man Utd or Liverpool being on, then they don’t have to watch that either. It’s really simple. You are missing the point, my problem isnt with womens sport, its the coverage. I made that clear from the start and thats what I've been moaning about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Junxs said: I've alreeady said I appreciate what they do, and believe it nor not I have been watching the womens football too. I just don't think should be mixed with the mens coverage. Make separate podcasts, make subforums, dont retweet. IE dont force it. If people are genuinely interested they can can find their way to it rather than be forced to skip over it thats all I'm saying. Thank McGrath the men's footballl has never been forced down our throats. All those subscriptions to Sky just magically happened by accident. There was and never has been a concerted and targeted campaign to get people to spend their hard earned cash to subscribe to watch the men's game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Thank McGrath the men's footballl has never been forced down our throats. All those subscriptions to Sky just magically happened by accident. There was and never has been a concerted and targeted campaign to get people to spend their hard earned cash to subscribe to watch the men's game. And thats what people in their millions have paid for, now imagine you tune in to watch and they are showing womens football instead? I don't get your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Albrighton Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2019 Just now, Junxs said: You are missing the point, my problem isnt with womens sport, its the coverage. I made that clear from the start and thats what I've been moaning about So just ignore the threads, ignore the coverage, skip the bits of the podcasts you don’t want to listen to. It’s not difficult to avoid. The point about how the sport owes something to the women’s game, this is it. It owes them a bit of coverage, a bit of promoting in areas where there won’t be much interest. It’s no real hardship really. I just went on the BBC Sports app, first headline is Pakistan v Bangladesh - not interested in that, then it’s updates from Wimbledon - not interested in that either, then it’s a story about Carney retiring from England after the World Cup. Again not interested. But am I disillusioned by this? No. I click the top right menu button, click “all sport” and then “football”. With three touches of a button I reach the news I want to read and I can see who Derby County have appointed as their new manager. Really, really easy. I don’t know why sky didn’t choose the cricket match you wanted to watch, I find it hard to believe it wasn’t available anywhere to view. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. They’ll get the message. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Junxs said: And thats what people in their millions have paid for, now imagine you tune in to watch and they are showing womens football instead? I don't get your point My point is that the men's game has been forced down our throats for years and still is and you don't seem to have a problem with that. The advertisement and promotion is the main reason why people have paid in their millions not because of the football. I think you're underestimating the power of advertisement and promotion of a product which is essentially how Sky have treated football and now companies are starting to do the same with women's football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaJ100 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: Thank McGrath the men's footballl has never been forced down our throats. All those subscriptions to Sky just magically happened by accident. There was and never has been a concerted and targeted campaign to get people to spend their hard earned cash to subscribe to watch the men's game. Does anyone remember the absolutely pathetic 'Grand Slam Sunday' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: So just ignore the threads, ignore the coverage, skip the bits of the podcasts you don’t want to listen to. It’s not difficult to avoid. The point about how the sport owes something to the women’s game, this is it. It owes them a bit of coverage, a bit of promoting in areas where there won’t be much interest. It’s no real hardship really. I just went on the BBC Sports app, first headline is Pakistan v Bangladesh - not interested in that, then it’s updates from Wimbledon - not interested in that either, then it’s a story about Carney retiring from England after the World Cup. Again not interested. But am I disillusioned by this? No. I click the top right menu button, click “all sport” and then “football”. With three touches of a button I reach the news I want to read and I can see who Derby County have appointed as their new manager. Really, really easy. I don’t know why sky didn’t choose the cricket match you wanted to watch, I find it hard to believe it wasn’t available anywhere to view. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. They’ll get the message. We are going around in circles If I want to listen to womens football podcast I should be able to find a special podcast for it. If I'm listening to a football podcast whilst trying to sleep and they start talking about womens football I shouldn't have to sit up, open the ipad, go to podcasts and forward god knows how many minutes until they move on (whilst getting elbowed by the mrs) all while I'm feeling sleepy. We are not going to agree so I'll leave it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, sparrow1988 said: My point is that the men's game has been forced down our throats for years and still is and you don't seem to have a problem with that. The advertisement and promotion is the main reason why people have paid in their millions not because of the football. I think you're underestimating the power of advertisement and promotion of a product which is essentially how Sky have treated football and now companies are starting to do the same with women's football. There has to be an interest to begin with, advertising doesnt work with me and I feel sorry for those who get pressured into buying something they have no interest in. People buy the mens football because they want to watch it. Say if womens football was on a different platform you think an advertising campaihn could draw in the same numbers? Because thats what happened with the mens football - sky was a new platform and people joined in their millions to watch mens football.. not so much because of the advertising but because people wanted to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morley_crosses_to_Withe Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I imagine this thread will get very little attention once the season is underway because we’ll all be too busy moaning about the men’s team. It should, however, be situated on this board because it’s about Aston Villa. The youth team have a thread on this forum and rightly so; the same should apply to the women’s team. We’re a long way off having threads about individual players, so I don’t know why that’s even a concern. Once that happens, and there’s enough interest for it, the women’s team will probably have their own sub forum so that this board doesn’t get overly cluttered. Personally, I’ll definitely get more involved in the next women’s World Cup as it fills a nice gap of football over the summer. I doubt I’ll really get involved at club level purely because the men’s game will take up all of my interest and involvement. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, villa89 said: Sign Alex Morgan! She can stay at mine, ill be the new womens player liaison officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark Albrighton Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Junxs said: We are going around in circles If I want to listen to womens football podcast I should be able to find a special podcast for it. If I'm listening to a football podcast whilst trying to sleep and they start talking about womens football I shouldn't have to sit up, open the ipad, go to podcasts and forward god knows how many minutes until they move on (whilst getting elbowed by the mrs) all while I'm feeling sleepy. We are not going to agree so I'll leave it there No we’re not going to agree. Although it’s interesting that the talk about the men’s game sends you to sleep and the women’s game makes you sit up and take notice 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junxs Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said: I imagine this thread will get very little attention once the season is underway because we’ll all be too busy moaning about the men’s team. It should, however, be situated on this board because it’s about Aston Villa. The youth team have a thread on this forum and rightly so; the same should apply to the women’s team. Jack Grealish, Gabby Agbonlahor played for the youth teams and progressed through to the full team, thats why the youth teams are relevant. Jodie Hutton & Amy West wont ever progress to play for Aston Villa, only Aston Villa Women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparrow1988 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Junxs said: There has to be an interest to begin with, advertising doesnt work with me and I feel sorry for those who get pressured into buying something they have no interest in. People buy the mens football because they want to watch it. Say if womens football was on a different platform you think an advertising campaihn could draw in the same numbers? Because thats what happened with the mens football - sky was a new platform and people joined in their millions to watch mens football.. not so much because of the advertising but because people wanted to watch it It probably wouldn't generate the same numbers but it's starting from a much lower base for reasons which are pretty well known and these reasons are also not exclusive to football. It's the same in the workplace for example. If it had the same starting point then I believe that it would have drawn in similar numbers coupled with the promotion of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 To be fair Christmas is for football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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