Rugeley Villa Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 When you talk about great drummers he certainly was one of them . I always prefer drummers who have an element of jazz in their playing. Bonham was a true great too, but on the ear I always preferred Baker and I also preferred Bill Ward who had plenty of swing in his playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: When you talk about great drummers he certainly was one of them . I always prefer drummers who have an element of jazz in their playing. Bonham was a true great too, but on the ear I always preferred Baker and I also preferred Bill Ward who had plenty of swing in his playing. Yeah, I'm not a huge Sabbath fan, but I must admit that when I saw a documentary about them I was very impressed by Bill and Geezer demonstrating their jazz chops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, mjmooney said: I must admit that when I saw a documentary about them I was very impressed by Bill and Geezer demonstrating their jazz chops. Agreed ; because I live in the past , I tend to think (wrongly) that anything not from the 60's or early 70's isn't worth bothering with. But another example of a rock drummer who can really play a bit is Neal Peart from Rush ! how wrong can I be !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, veloman said: Agreed ; because I live in the past , I tend to think (wrongly) that anything not from the 60's or early 70's isn't worth bothering with. But another example of a rock drummer who can really play a bit is Neal Peart from Rush ! how wrong can I be !! Rush ARE from the 70's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said: When you talk about great drummers he certainly was one of them . I always prefer drummers who have an element of jazz in their playing. Bonham was a true great too, but on the ear I always preferred Baker and I also preferred Bill Ward who had plenty of swing in his playing. Ginger Baker was rather disparaging about Bonham's ability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 RIP Rip Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: Ginger Baker was rather disparaging about Bonham's ability Nothing like an opinionated musician - Buddy Rich was equally disparaging about Ginger Baker. I don't see the point of trying to compare musicians on some sort of absolute scale - Bonzo was the perfect drummer for Led Zeppelin, as Ringo was for The Beatles and Charlie Watts for the Stones. Nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, mjmooney said: as Ringo was for The Beatles Is that because he was fugly and didn't distract from John and Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, mjmooney said: Nothing like an opinionated musician - Buddy Rich was equally disparaging about Ginger Baker. I don't see the point of trying to compare musicians on some sort of absolute scale - Bonzo was the perfect drummer for Led Zeppelin, as Ringo was for The Beatles and Charlie Watts for the Stones. Nothing else matters. Ringo does seem to polarize people ... i think his sound was failry unique as he was self taught and played a right -handed rig , left handed , which worked with the Beatles as you say ... I get the impression a lot of the fills and the way the Beatles used odd time signatures was down to Ringos creativity , he may not have been a prolific songwriter but that shouldn't underestimate his input 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The 60s bands like Cream, The Who, and Stones were pretty much negative towards Zeppelin. They didn’t rate them much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted October 7, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, bickster said: Is that because he was fugly and didn't distract from John and Paul Drumming skills aside, yes, this is true. Pete Best was allegedly sacked because he was good looking and got all the women (he was also a crap drummer, so it's a moot point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Drumming skills aside, yes, this is true. Pete Best was allegedly sacked because he was good looking and got all the women (he was also a crap drummer, so it's a moot point). I think the crap drumming was the main reason , interestingly Best's mum was a huge influence on the Beatles even after Pete was fired so if she was bitter she hid it well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, tonyh29 said: and played a right -handed rig , left handed , which worked with the Beatles as you say ... I get the impression a lot of the fills and the way the Beatles used odd time signatures was down to Ringos creativity , he may not have been a prolific songwriter but that shouldn't underestimate his input Not sure you've got that right. Looks fairly standard to me; left hand snare drum, right hand playing ride cymbal or hi hat. There are that many rumours about who played on what, but the most unlikely I heard was Bernard Purdie (he of Steely Dan) claiming to have played on Beatles numbers. Very few Beatles numbers were complicated enough to warrant him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, veloman said: Not sure you've got that right. Looks fairly standard to me; left hand snare drum, right hand playing ride cymbal or hi hat. There are that many rumours about who played on what, but the most unlikely I heard was Bernard Purdie (he of Steely Dan) claiming to have played on Beatles numbers. Very few Beatles numbers were complicated enough to warrant him. tbh i wouldn't know one end of a drum kit from another , its just something most Beatles books refer to about his style of play The Purdie thing is 100% bollocks though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Not a big Neal Peart fan . His playing leaves me feeling a bit cold . Technically very good, but not my cup of tea . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sne Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Larry Junstrom Lynyrd Skynyrd 70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, sne said: Larry Junstrom Lynyrd Skynyrd 70 Oh Hell no, that means DJs will have an excuse to play that risible Freebird tune 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, bickster said: Oh Hell no, that means DJs will have an excuse to play that risible Freebird tune Brilliant song . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted October 7, 2019 Moderator Share Posted October 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: Brilliant song . It's an overly long piece of hippy bullshit about breaking up with a woman but being cool man. Its just an extension of the hippy free love crap It's lyrically dreadful in terms of structure and meaning Oh and it's far too long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rugeley Villa Posted October 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, bickster said: It's an overly long piece of hippy bullshit about breaking up with a woman but being cool man. Its just an extension of the hippy free love crap It's lyrically dreadful in terms of structure and meaning Oh and it's far too long Disagree on every level. It’s a bit dated, but I like it a lot when in the mood . 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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