hippo Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, Zatman said: Because thats not how football works, we had to buy centre backs. Konsa had a release clause too, Maupay didn't Yes - but we opted out of Maupay - spent £9m on Konsa, £4m on Jota, - that's £13m on players not getting a sniff of first team - we should have just paid the £16m for Maupay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, hippo said: Yes - but we opted out of Maupay - spent £9m on Konsa, £4m on Jota, - that's £13m on players not getting a sniff of first team - we should have just paid the £16m for Maupay. And what defender and winger would we have signed for peanuts? We don't even know if Brentford would do business with us for 16million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Smith has proven he doesn't cut it at this level. On that basis i don't see a long term project under him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, villalad21 said: Smith has proven he doesn't cut it at this level. On that basis i don't see a long term project under him. Had 17 games. Yet you say Sean Dyche is proven. Relegated in 1st season. Big Sam is proven his first 2 seasons he stayed up on last day How does one become proven? Do they need go to relegation school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: And what defender and winger would we have signed for peanuts? We don't even know if Brentford would do business with us for 16million But that's my point - Jota and Konsa wouldn't have been missed - they hardly play and when they do they look short of what is needed at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: And what defender and winger would we have signed for peanuts? We don't even know if Brentford would do business with us for 16million We spunked £22million on the useless lump Wesley. That could have been spent on Maupay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: Had 17 games. Yet you say Sean Dyche is proven. Relegated in 1st season. Big Sam is proven his first 2 seasons he stayed up on last day How does one become proven? Do they need go to relegation school? The very least you should expect is him being able to motivate the players. Man management is probably the most important aspect for a modern coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Just now, villalad21 said: The very least you should expect is him being able to motivate the players. Man management is probably the most important aspect for a modern coach. That didnt answer the question at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: That didnt answer the question at all We aren't Burnley. Different clubs. They didn't spend 140 million is one summer. The clubs aren't even comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, villalad21 said: We aren't Burnley. Different clubs. They didn't spend 140 million is one summer. The clubs aren't even comparable. Again deflect the question. What makes a proven manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Zatman said: What makes a proven manager? For the money spent. Avoiding relegation is the bare minimum. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 "Proven" is really just semantics. Is Smith looking out of his depth at this level? IMO he absolutely is. Does that mean we get rid him? Not necessarily. Dyche is a good example of what sticking with a manager can achieve, I'm sure he looked out of his depth in his first season in the top flight when he took Burnley down. The question for us is whether we have an appetite to do this or do we take the risk on someone who appears more 'proven' in the top flight. Our financial exposure should we go down will be huge and a lot greater than what Burnley had to manage. For me the next two games are crucial, four points would be acceptable. If we happen to come out with no points then it becomes more difficult to make the argument for sticking with Smith, just being honest here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: four points would be acceptable. No it wouldn't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 4 hours ago, mikeyp102 said: Whilst I agree Dyche is a good manager, you have to remember that Burnley in their first year back up under Dyche were relegated. They stuck by him, he got them promoted again and then thrived in the prem. I could see Smith being exactly the same Totally correct but the point being Dyche now has that premier league experience at this level and therefore would be a decent option should smith go . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, villalad21 said: No it wouldn't It would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Everton's appointment of Carlo Ancelotti proves that you don't have to be a Champions League club to attract one of the best managers in the game. It's time for Villa and its fans to realise that we are a big enough club to attract quality and aspire to greatness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, villalad21 said: For the money spent. Avoiding relegation is the bare minimum. So you don't know what a proven manager even means. Noted for every time you keep saying it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippo Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, pacbuddies said: Everton's appointment of Carlo Ancelotti proves that you don't have to be a Champions League club to attract one of the best managers in the game. It's time for Villa and its fans to realise that we are a big enough club to attract quality and aspire to greatness. Agreed - but the prospect of Smith's successor being anywhere near the calibre of Ancelotti is very remote IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Zatman said: So you don't know what a proven manager even means. Noted for every time you keep saying it Are you a toddler? You need words explained? Proven PL manager doesn't have a definite answer. But i can tell you a coach that's been given 140 mill and not being able to escape survival isn't very proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughable Chimp Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) Sean Dyche example is terrible tbh. Mostly because 1-It is at this point the only example of how sticking with a manager through relegation might lead you to coming back up stronger. There are more examples of clubs doing the same and failing. Look at Neil Warnock. The board stuck by him through relegation and what happened to him? Left Cardiff at 14th place in the Championship before leaving the club out of mutual consent. The same happened to Alex Neil, who was sacked after leaving the club 9 points off the playoffs in the Championship. Both managers did wonders in bringing their teams up from the Championship, but what did sentiment get them? 2-It is I feel very much taken for granted that Smith will easily be able to achieve promotion again for us just as Dyche did. The situations are different, there are many managers who've gotten incredible achievements in one season but have failed to replicate any semblance of that in the future. It happens. Much less us becoming a stronger even if we get promoted again. Let me tell you, our new owners will probably be a lot more stingy with their money if we go down this season and that by itself is going to be a big handicap for us. Edited December 22, 2019 by Laughable Chimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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