villa4europe Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 first half has absolutely flown by hopefully a biblical storm in the 2nd half and it gets even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, ThunderPower_14 said: It clearly and obviously hit him in an outstretched hand. It took that many rewatches to decide whether it was reasonable for him to have his arm flailing about like that. Harsh but ultimately fair. I'd be filthy if I was French and that wasn't given. It’s not fair. It’s another poor call. He’s basically judged that Perisic(?) has known that Umtiti is going to miss his header and deliberately handles the ball. Utter madness. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Disgusting decision from an absolute word removed ref, absolutely 100% not a deliberate handball, ridiculous and idiotic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Davkaus said: I thought it was specifically meant to be clear and obvious he made an error rather than hadn't seen anything? I've not seen the exact guidelines though. I don't think it was a penalty either way, that's a really harsh handball, but if I'm just wrong about how VAR is utilised I'm happy to be corrected. Well the ball hit a defender’s hand and went out of play and he gave a goal kick. Thats pretty clear that he hasn’t realised the ball hit a defender, let alone his hand. So he’s missed the incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Yes it is. The decision the ref makes doesn’t need to be clear and obvious. It has to be clear and obvious that the ref has made a mistake or missed something. In this case it was clear and obvious that the ref hadn’t seen that that had hit a hand. THAT is the clear and obvious bit. Correct decision again made by a VAR review. Nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, bobzy said: It’s not fair. It’s another poor call. He’s basically judged that Perisic(?) has known that Umtiti is going to miss his header and deliberately handles the ball. Utter madness. Spot on, pathetic decision can't see how anyone with even a basic understanding of the handball rule can agree with it. As I've said before, VAR is a fine concept, but it's problematic when you put it into the hands of an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: Spot on, pathetic decision can't see how anyone with even a basic understanding of the handball rule can agree with it. As I've said before, VAR is a fine concept, but it's problematic when you put it into the hands of an idiot. He’s moved his hand towards the ball. If it doesn’t hit his hand there the French players have a tap in. It’s a penalty. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VILLAMARV Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 France have done very little and find themselves 2-1 up. Funny old game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: He’s moved his hand towards the ball. If it doesn’t hit his hand there the French players have a tap in. It’s a penalty. Nope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: He’s moved his hand towards the ball. If it doesn’t hit his hand there the French players have a tap in. It’s a penalty. No he didn't, it was clearly not a deliberate handball and it has to be deliberate for it to be a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, bobzy said: Nope. What part are you disagreeing with there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Croatia have been superb. Their deliveries are exceptional from Rakitic & Vrsaljko. You know you're lucky when the shot count is 1-7 and you find yourselves 2-1 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Dr_Pangloss said: No he didn't, it was clearly not a deliberate handball and it has to be deliberate for it to be a penalty. It’s a deliberate handball in the way the rules are applied at the moment. In reality it probably wasn’t deliberate but we’ve had this debate before. Handballs are very very rarely deliberate. If your arm is outstretched and you move it towards the ball then that will go down as deliberate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 This final is pretty much ruined by a disgusting referee. France for what it's worth again are stinking it out with awful football, but then for them, it's effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Stevo985 said: Well the ball hit a defender’s hand and went out of play and he gave a goal kick. Thats pretty clear that he hasn’t realised the ball hit a defender, let alone his hand. So he’s missed the incident. That actually makes sense as to why VAR would be called, you're right, he clearly didn't actually see it. But, if the ref doesn't see something clearly, makes a decision, and then sees something in the replay, what standard does the decision have to meet? Is it no longer 'clear and obvious', at that point? It's obvious he didn't see it, and that it hit the Croatian defender, I'd be all for a corner. In no way was that a clear penalty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Stevo985 said: It’s a deliberate handball in the way the rules are applied at the moment. In reality it probably wasn’t deliberate but we’ve had this debate before. Handballs are very very rarely deliberate. If your arm is outstretched and you move it towards the ball then that will go down as deliberate. No it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He’s moved his hand towards the ball. If it doesn’t hit his hand there the French players have a tap in. It’s a penalty. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: He’s moved his hand towards the ball. If it doesn’t hit his hand there the French players have a tap in. It’s a penalty. He has absolutely no time to react and is bringing his arm back down to his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Davkaus said: He has absolutely no time to react and is bringing his arm back down to his side. Exactly. Stevo is confusing slow motion with real time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted July 15, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, Davkaus said: That actually makes sense as to why VAR would be called, you're right, he clearly didn't actually see it. But, if the ref doesn't see something clearly, makes a decision, and then sees something in the replay, what standard does the decision have to meet? Is it no longer 'clear and obvious', at that point? It's obvious he didn't see it, and that it hit the Croatian defender, I'd be all for a corner. In no way was that a clear penalty though. Well they speak to him. So they probably said “that hit a hand did you see that?” And if he replies “yes but I don’t think it was a penalty” then they probably don’t refer it. I assume he said “I didn’t see it” so they get him to review it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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