Genie Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Captain_Townsend said: No matter how powerful a country is it won't win a war just because it is next door. If you aren't wanted there you aren't wanted there. Plenty if examples of this around the world! Yep, but i’m just talking about logistics. It’s the easiest scenario to manage (and they are shit at it). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, bickster said: When did it ever not look like Russia did the pipeline? But yes more and more evidence is now in the public domain that the obvious perpetrator was the one that did it. It didn't make total sense for the Russians to do it, because it would galvanise Europe into being less dependant on Russia's Gas, and therefore would screw themselves financially because they would be intentionally dropping their biggest market. In hindsight it makes slightly more sense because China have taken up some of the capacity, but they seem to be buying it cheap, so, yeah, they did a brexit and shot their own feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Just now, HKP90 said: It didn't make total sense for the Russians to do it, because it would galvanise Europe into being less dependant on Russia's Gas, and therefore would screw themselves financially because they would be intentionally dropping their biggest market. In hindsight it makes slightly more sense because China have taken up some of the capacity, but they seem to be buying it cheap, so, yeah, they did a brexit and shot their own feet. So,lets hear it for Vlad.Hip hip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villarule123 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 Assassination attempt on Putin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, HKP90 said: It didn't make total sense for the Russians to do it, because it would galvanise Europe into being less dependant on Russia's Gas, and therefore would screw themselves financially because they would be intentionally dropping their biggest market. You could say the same about the invasion of Ukraine - it was always going to create things that were against what Russia wanted - stronger NATO, divergence from trade with Russia, Sanctions and so on and so forth. But those things (and the gas pipeline) are not why Russia did what they did and are doing. Putin doesn't care about that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Assassination attempt on Putin? Is that news or a 'would like to see'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, villarule123 said: Assassination attempt on Putin? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 Just now, HKP90 said: Is that news or a 'would like to see'? Just saw the breaking news. That looks like the falsiest false flag that ever flagged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceemo Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) Have to laugh at the Kremlin report. It’s a terrorist attack and underlines their right to respond. What are they going to do? Missile strike even more orphanages? Edited May 3, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Genie said: Have to laugh at the Kremlin report. It’s a terrorist attack and underlines their right to respond. What are they going to do? Missile strike even more orphanages? Exactly and they calling ukraine terrorists when they been bombing ukraine for over a year. They can hardly complain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 Think they might be lining up justification to take out Zelenski. Maybe they have him pinpointed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, HKP90 said: Think they might be lining up justification to take out Zelenski. Maybe they have him pinpointed. My thought went to this and also that it might be something to give the western nations pause about giving Ukraine longer range weapons if they think they might use them to strike Russia itself. If, and it's a big if, the Russians are telling the truth then either a. The Ukrainians launched the drone from their own territory and it's travelled hundreds of miles without detection or without them being able to shoot it down or... b. There are Ukrainian operatives in or around Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: My thought went to this and also that it might be something to give the western nations pause about giving Ukraine longer range weapons if they think they might use them to strike Russia itself. If, and it's a big if, the Russians are telling the truth then either a. The Ukrainians launched the drone from their own territory and it's travelled hundreds of miles without detection or without them being able to shoot it down or... b. There are Ukrainian operatives in or around Moscow. Well it's interesting that this occurred as the big Z is visiting the newly Nato-fied Finland. Intriguing developments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, desensitized43 said: a. The Ukrainians launched the drone from their own territory and it's travelled hundreds of miles without detection or without them being able to shoot it down This has already happened a number of times. In fact one Ukrainian manufacturer of drones has put up a $1mil dollar prize in a competition to fly a drone into the Red Square parade on May 9th. He will be entering himself (but isn't eligible for the prize), he's already had a couple of drones of his own downed not far shy of Moscow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 3, 2023 Moderator Share Posted May 3, 2023 The story isn't just the one drone either, this is the original video show in RUssian media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Ah, you've shot at us with a drone that hit our flag!? How dare you, terrorist scum! *clicks button sending a Kinzhal missile straight into an orphanage* That'll teach those terrorists! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Ceemo said: I've let off fireworks in the back garden that could do more damage than that That statement wasn't a euphemism by the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 3, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted May 3, 2023 It's not a good look for Putin though. From what I understand Russians only support strength and Putins big selling point is keeping them safe and secure. If weapons start hitting The Kremlin it's surely going to bee seen negative on Putin? That's more than close to home. Even makes you wonder if it's the start of an internal power struggle. Some power within Russia wanting to show Putin up as weak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) It’s either travelled hundreds of miles undetected, or it’s launched from within undetected. Neither are a good look for Putin. Edited May 3, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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