magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 (edited) Shoigu is up live on TV now. Comical Ali level stuff this. Why do you need to conscript 300.000 men if you have barely taken losses? Even backwards thinking Russians will react to the hypocritical actions of their leaders atm. Edited September 21, 2022 by magnkarl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 We are threatening Nuclear war? is that what he’s saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted September 21, 2022 Moderator Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, magnkarl said: Shoigu is up live on TV now Did they remember which cupboard they kept him in then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, bickster said: Did they remember which cupboard they kept him in then? Yes, the one next to the umbrellas with polonium tips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Someone needs to remind Sergei that they lost 10.000 soldiers just attacking Severodonetsk.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 What a nutter. I imagine that will stiffen the resolve of all of the free world. He has clearly lost his mind as all dictators do. As Biden rightly said, he is a butcher and needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I imagine China might have stopped the full mobilisation last night. It would not be good for China if Putin's regime disintegrated and Russia turned into a democracy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said: We are threatening Nuclear war? is that what he’s saying? To defend what he thinks is Russian territory which is Donbas and Crimea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedClaretAndBlue Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, CVByrne said: To defend what he thinks is Russian territory which is Donbas and Crimea When he says about the West using nuclear blackmail i mean, whats he going on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Its worth remembering Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons in 1994 in a signed agreement with Russia that Russia would respect and guarantee the security of Ukraine's sovereign territory, which included and includes Crimea and the Donbas in return tor Ukraine handing over its nuclear weapons to Russia. Thanks to Putin, nobody is ever going to trust Russia ever again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Just now, BleedClaretAndBlue said: When he says about the West using nuclear blackmail i mean, whats he going on about? Nonsense, it's a "tactical lie" as he needs to justify the mobilisation. Only way to do that is say he's fighting the west not just Ukraine 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 If Putin had said from the start he considers those areas Russia and wants them back he’d have a shred of decency/honesty. The whole de-nazification line is hilariously ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Virtually all Russians do a year of army reserve training so most of the country would be eligible for the draft. He needs to find a narrative that allows the Russian people to support the move and so making parts of Ukraine officially part of Russia means he can sell to the public that their great fear has arrived, the West is invading the Russian homeland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 minute ago, LondonLax said: Virtually all Russians do a year of army reserve training so most of the country would be eligible for the draft. He needs to find a narrative that allows the Russian people to support the move and so making parts of Ukraine officially part of Russia means he can sell to the public that their great fear has arrived, the West is invading the Russian homeland. It looks very much like he’s painting that picture at home, the West are trying to take down Russia. It’s hard to know how well it is landing in Russia though. Do enough regular Russians buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVByrne Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, LondonLax said: Virtually all Russians do a year of army reserve training so most of the country would be eligible for the draft. He needs to find a narrative that allows the Russian people to support the move and so making parts of Ukraine officially part of Russia means he can sell to the public that their great fear has arrived, the West is invading the Russian homeland. Exactly this, so he can use more and more troops and finally tactical Nukes to defend "Russian" territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, CVByrne said: Exactly this, so he can use more and more troops and finally tactical Nukes to defend "Russian" territory Lyman is apparently close to encircled with several Guards Armies inside. It's not going well for the VDV and Spetznas. Reports range from around 2.000 Russian soldiers to close to 10.000. Every town liberated by Ukraine also has injured Russians in the hospitals, so prisoner swaps must be getting to a point where Russia has no more to trade. Then Ukraine can start trialing soldiers and trying to get them to fight against Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2022 58 minutes ago, magnkarl said: Shoigu is up live on TV now. Comical Ali level stuff this. Why do you need to conscript 300.000 men if you have barely taken losses? Even backwards thinking Russians will react to the hypocritical actions of their leaders atm. Reminds me of a war museum I went to in Vietnam. No acknowledgement of Vietnamese casualties in a battle where their casualties outnumbered American casualties by a factor of five. Typical communist prop, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted September 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, Genie said: It looks very much like he’s painting that picture at home, the West are trying to take down Russia. It’s hard to know how well it is landing in Russia though. Do enough regular Russians buy it? People believe what they are told by the media and politicians even if it's lies. We saw it with Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction and we also saw it with Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKP90 Posted September 21, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted September 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, tinker said: People believe what they are told by the media and politicians even if it's lies. We saw it with Iraq and the weapons of mass destruction and we also saw it with Brexit. The concern is what Russia sees as Russia. Are they going to fire nukes if Ukraine go for Crimea, for instance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 This is where the US / NATO need to be clear on where the lines in the sand are in terms of escalation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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