Woodytom Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Just now, Jareth said: What like Brighton, Leeds, Norwich, Reading and Fulham, all who are above us in the table? (well not Norwich any more)... No like wolves, brum, Cardiff, qpr, Wigan, Blackburn. All that are below us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Woodytom said: No like wolves, brum, Cardiff, qpr, Wigan, Blackburn. All that are below us. The same brum that were above us at the time? Other than that, barring the wolves game, we won them all? Edited December 27, 2016 by Mjvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Woodytom said: No like wolves, brum, Cardiff, qpr, Wigan, Blackburn. All that are below us. Well yeah, that's 12 games played and about 40% of those games were against good sides. Why do you think we've only played dross teams under Steve Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 53 minutes ago, Jareth said: 2 points a game since Bruce started - I expect that to continue... Which would be fine had we not given 10 teams above us a head start. 2 points per game may not be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Just now, One For The Road said: Which would be fine had we not given 10 teams above us a head start. 2 points per game may not be enough. Just quoting Steve Bruce, the guy who has 4 promotions under his belt, who thinks our target should be 2 points a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, One For The Road said: Which would be fine had we not given 10 teams above us a head start. 2 points per game may not be enough. 2 points would give us 80 points. Wednesday, who finished 6 th last year, finished with 74. I think 2 points per game would be plenty. it would, in fact, be enough for the playoffs each of the last 5 years including 1 year it would've been good enough for automatic. i think 80 points would be easily enough! Edited December 27, 2016 by Mjvilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Just quoting Steve Bruce, the guy who has 4 promotions under his belt, Oh is THAT who he is? Ah, I see now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Just now, One For The Road said: Oh is THAT who he is? Ah, I see now.... Hopefully 5 soon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mjvilla said: 2 points would give us 80 points. Wednesday, who finished 6 th last year, finished with 74. I think 2 points per game would be plenty. Yes 73 pts is the average pts total for 6th spot over the last 10 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Hopefully 5 soon. Reading aside, as that was a cracking win, can you give me one example of a game under Bruce that we have done more than we would have expected to? As in, a game we have won which we wouldnt have been favourites for? It seems to me that we are scraping wins against teams we should hammer and losing or drawing against everyone else. Which is fine as we are a work in progress, but we are nothing like a team that will be able to sustain long winning runs or even 2 points per game for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Just now, One For The Road said: Reading aside, as that was a cracking win, can you give me one example of a game under Bruce that we have done more than we would have expected to? As in, a game we have won which we wouldnt have been favourites for? It seems to me that we are scraping wins against teams we should hammer and losing or drawing against everyone else. Which is fine as we are a work in progress, but we are nothing like a team that will be able to sustain long winning runs or even 2 points per game for the rest of the season. Agreed, we have not done it in much style, and any chance to maintain the 2 points per game will rely on january reinforcements coming in and having an impact. No reinforcements for example, then I think we will fall short. I am longing for a nice old fashioned 2-0 one day soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, Jareth said: Agreed, we have not done it in much style, and any chance to maintain the 2 points per game will rely on january reinforcements coming in and having an impact. No reinforcements for example, then I think we will fall short. I am longing for a nice old fashioned 2-0 one day soon. That would be nice. The noises coming out of VP though, coupled with Gardners ludicrous contact extension, point to us spending very little in January. A couple of shrewd loan moves maybe? We need a better midfield to have any chance at all so let's hope Bruce and Tony have something up their sleeves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, PaulC said: Yes 73 pts is the average pts total for 6th spot over the last 10 years. We'd only be 5 points off that if we were to repeat exactly the results from the first 23 games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 49 minutes ago, Jareth said: Well yeah, that's 12 games played and about 40% of those games were against good sides. Why do you think we've only played dross teams under Steve Bruce? I never said we'd only played dross. I said we'd played a lot of dross. Against the better teams our results haven't been great bar the reading game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Mantis said: Can't believe Norwich are below us now. They've dropped like a stone. makes our performance 2 weeks ago even more shameful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommo_b Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 I think a lot of the "dross" teams probably raise their performance against a team like Villa, perhaps that's why it hasn't looked so comfortable. But a wins a win, and Bruce is getting us back to a mentality where we don't lose or concede ridiculous goals or late on. Remember how depressing it was before Bruce came in. Play offs is very possible. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dn1982 Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 At the beginning of October we were level with Derby a side some say we can't catch as they're 5 pts ahead. Derby have had easy away games and have capitalised to get the points. We have had very tough away games. We are a cup final for most clubs we go to. Inthe 2nd Alf we have winnable away games and tough home ones. We were 10 pts off of 6th which we've closed to 6 now but we have also closed the gap to 3rd. Our form under Bruce is promotion form and we will need to continue at least this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 think on current form Wednesday and Derby will be in play-offs. It will be between us, Leeds, Reading, Norwich, Huddersfield maybe Fulham for 2 spots 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villa82 Posted December 27, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2016 Below is a historic record of points totals needed to achieve certain targets (Champions, Playoffs, Survive Relegation etc) along with the current standings of each team this year. (04-05 to 15-16 seasons used for averages and totals). 106 - Highest Champions Points Total 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 - Highest 2nd Place Points Total (i.e. not Champions) 92 - Average Needed for Champions 91 90 89 - Highest 3rd Place Points Total (i.e.not Auto Promoted) 88 87 - Average Needed For Promotion 86 85 84 83 82 81 - Lowest Champions Points Total 80 79 - Lowest Automatic Promotion Total 78 - Highest 7th Place Points Total (i.e not making Play-offs) 77 76 75 74 73 - Average Needed for Play-Offs 72 71 70 69 68 - Lowest Play-off Position Total 67 66 65 64 63 62 - Average Needed for Top Half 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 - Highest Points Still Relegated 53 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted December 27, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted December 27, 2016 @villa82 thanks for that, that's very interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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