DaveAV1 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 1 minute ago, terrytini said: Yes I'm surprised people think Bruce cant do this - its simple. And it isn't the problem. The problem is he sees no need for it. When people like TRO say 'he sees what we see, ' yes he does - but what he is seeing is players playing poorly in his style and as he has set them up - he doesn't appear to have even considered for one moment that it is that set up and style that is the problem. Worryingly correct Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, TRO said: Or Aston Villa during our halcyon days. At least we're long enough in the tooth to have enjoyed those days mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thabucks Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 hours ago, TRO said: Did you read his comments reported in the "People"..... it does not represent a manager that is anywhere near happy and goes on to talk about another clearout. You could end up being right.....I suspect you are premature in you assessment.I want to see who he brings in this summer. I would agree with any view , that this team in its present form is not going up. I think, what we did in Jan, just saved us from relegation. Yeah I've read his comments and as someone pointed out pretty much verbatim to what he said 4 months ago. He is the one responsible for setting the team up and dictating how we should play. He hasn't managed to change performances despite buying a new spine in Johnstone, Lansbury, Hourihane & Hogan, add to that Taylor & Bree. So I don't buy into this he needs a summer to buy his own players nonsense. In my opinion he is the wrong manager for the players we have. We need someone who has tactical nous and who is able to work with what we have and build upon it, he can blame the players all he wants but the buck stops with him ultimately and his training methods & tactics which imo are lacking. I believe our continuous abject performances are a result of his approach to games and not just down to the players being at fault. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post terrytini Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 1 hour ago, macandally said: Stop blaming your players, Sherwood will tell you that will only go one way, and start coaching and developing them. Couldn't agree more. However 'poor' the players they are ALL Championship quality. Take it further, we have gone out of our way to pinch many of the best in the League. Yes there can be the odd argument about whether we have too much of one sort or not enough of the other but to suggest these perfromances are down to the players not being good enough is simply daft IMO. We've been outplayed by players from Clubs at every other position in the League and I'm sure most of us have no doubt those Clubs now coming up from League 1 will do the same next year if nothing changes. We have somewhere between 14/16 players good enough for this level. They needed resolve and spirit, as a Club we needed to be much tougher characters. I think by and large Bruce achieved that although it must be a worry that that good work is beginning to unravel in the face of dire performances and only adequate - at best - results. Dr Tony surely must be considering a scenario where we start poorly next term - Bruce would quickly run out of time with the fans if nothing else.........I don't envy him the decision he has to take, but there must surely be a debate going on at the Club. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 We'll hopefully address the coaching staff as well as the playing staff this summer. all of Bruce, Calderwood and Clemence plied their trade as defenders. No wonder we're struggling being creative in an attacking sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, terrytini said: Better when he left ? Also at Brighton calderwood wasn't in charge of coaching he was assisting and as he told avtv in his welcome interview it was the opportunity to be taking the coaching himself that tipped his decision to move to villa - Bruce has never been a hands on coach and tactically seems to be very old school in his ideas compared to the the adaptable systems and fluid football styles we see from the modern day coaches . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, theboyangel said: We'll hopefully address the coaching staff as well as the playing staff this summer. all of Bruce, Calderwood and Clemence plied their trade as defenders. No wonder we're struggling being creative in an attacking sense. I think clemence was a midfielder but hardly adventurous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just now, Eastie said: I think clemence was a midfielder but hardly adventurous My bad, for some reason I thought he was a full back. We definitely need an attacking injection in our coaching set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Maybe we will see Alex Bruce turn up as defensive back up so he can keep an ear open in the dressing room Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA_Villa Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Villa have scored 46 goals in 45 games, Brentford have scored 74 and we bought their best striker. They will most likely finish top 10 and we won't. They have a fraction of our budget and play much better football week in and week out, plus they battered us 3-0. Can we please give Dean Smith a call next Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 7 minutes ago, theboyangel said: My bad, for some reason I thought he was a full back. We definitely need an attacking injection in our coaching set up. Think his biggest achievement is marrying brooksides Nikki shadwick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DaveAV1 Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 Good, well run clubs make decisions based on what's good for the club and have no time for sentiment. Tim Sherwood had a good record in the short time he was at Spurs, but their football men spotted he was a chancer who got lucky and sacked him. We were so grateful he kept us up and got to the FA Cup final we thought he "deserved" another season. I was shocked when Southampton sacked Nigel Adkins as I thought he was making a good fist of avoiding relegation. Shows what I know! Chelsea never hang around when it comes to pulling the trigger. I don't like to say anything good about them, and I know they have mountains of cash, but look where they are! Arsenal are struggling, for their expectations, possibly because they're being sentimental. I'm not saying that they're not very well run, but at this moment in time I think that they're not being as ruthless as some of the other clubs that they're competing with. My point is, it's not just Steve Bruce who should be under scrutiny but also Keith Wyness and Steve Round. It's never a bad time to make a good decision. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: Good, well run clubs make decisions based on what's good for the club and have no time for sentiment. Tim Sherwood had a good record in the short time he was at Spurs, but their football men spotted he was a chancer who got lucky and sacked him. We were so grateful he kept us up and got to the FA Cup final we thought he "deserved" another season. I was shocked when Southampton sacked Nigel Adkins as I thought he was making a good fist of avoiding relegation. Shows what I know! Chelsea never hang around when it comes to pulling the trigger. I don't like to say anything good about them, and I know they have mountains of cash, but look where they are! Arsenal are struggling, for their expectations, possibly because they're being sentimental. I'm not saying that they're not very well run, but at this moment in time I think that they're not being as ruthless as some of the other clubs that they're competing with. My point is, it's not just Steve Bruce who should be under scrutiny but also Keith Wyness and Steve Round. It's never a bad time to make a good decision. I just hope if they do pull the trigger it's not to bring in their old Everton mate David Moyes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, TRO said: Its funny how Bruce can coach Jedinak, Kodjia, Baker, Hutton,Taylor,Chester in to decent performace.....but allegedly can't coach the rest. Jedinak, Chester, Hutton and Taylor came from the premiership, Baker also had premiership experience, now have any of them reached greater heights in their performances under Bruce than previously in the Premiership? and if you telling me that Bruce is coaching Kodja to play that way I am sorry but I don't believe it. To follow you argument why hasn't he got performances out of Grealish, McCormak, Hogan, Lansbury, Hourihane, Gardner, Bacuna, Adomah, Elphick and Amavi? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Eastie said: Maybe we will see Alex Bruce turn up as defensive back up so he can keep an ear open in the dressing room Put money on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashVillan Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 After taking a day to think on the game, Bruce has to go. Our club needs to put their foot down and make it known our managers are held to a very high standard. We can't go on with him. We haven't look good in ONE game with Bruce at the helm. Time's up. Bruce Out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thabucks Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mykeyb said: 1 hour ago, TRO said: Its funny how Bruce can coach Jedinak, Kodjia, Baker, Hutton,Taylor,Chester in to decent performace.....but allegedly can't coach the rest. Are you really asking why Bruce can get performances out of players who most would agree are technically limited ( Kodija aside) and not get a performance out of players who have more technique about them ? Really ? Surely the answer is staring you in the face? Bruce can't get performances out of the players with technique, whose attributes need nurturing through actual clear & coherent tactics as he has no game plan other than hoof ball, sit deep & hope Kodija scores on his own. Edited April 30, 2017 by thabucks 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AntrimBlack Posted April 30, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2017 Where is the `stability' in yet another clearout of players. He was allowed to bring in very good Championship players in January and has achieved nothing with them and has failed to make them look even remotely like a team. Why would it be any better with another bunch of new players to try to `gel'. Ridiculous. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted April 30, 2017 VT Supporter Share Posted April 30, 2017 Lots of work to do in the summer. That's clear. I'm confident Bruce can do it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 We are currently averaging 1.5 points a game, which is no surprise as it's merely a case of guesswork when trying to predict a result. You can predict that the performance will be rubbish but not the result, although if Kodjia isn't playing then forget winning. 1.5 points per game will give us 69 points next season, which will leave us way off the playoffs. Adding to next season's increasing list of worries, there won't be many clubs coming to us with any fear factor as they will have sussed out that we're clueless and there for the taking. They will be fired up because we're still a big scalp to take, but they won't be scared. Which is the worst possible scenario for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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