bickster Posted February 27 Moderator Share Posted February 27 Quote Government drops plan to combat anti-Muslim hatred with official definition of Islamophobia Exclusive: Reappointed communities secretary Michael Gove opposes definition and says it would bring ‘dangers’ Indie Oct 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 27 Moderator Share Posted February 27 Just some results from stories between 2022 and 2023 searching on Islamaphobia Tory That's why they can't answer the question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the impression that for some years now the British Muslim community has tended to support the Tories - possibly due to the perception that they were the party that supported small businesses, and entrepreneurialism generally. With recent events, I can see that changing quite dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 27 Moderator Share Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the impression that for some years now the British Muslim community has tended to support the Tories - possibly due to the perception that they were the party that supported small businesses, and entrepreneurialism generally. With recent events, I can see that changing quite dramatically. I think you're assumption is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, bickster said: I think you're assumption is incorrect. *your* 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I wonder if the public at large are also somewhat sympathetic to a bit of Islamophobia in a way that would not be tolerated for other groups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 27 Author Moderator Share Posted February 27 10 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the impression that for some years now the British Muslim community has tended to support the Tories - possibly due to the perception that they were the party that supported small businesses, and entrepreneurialism generally. . I might be horribly wrong, but I think the whole underlying tenet of this is utter bollex. i’d write more but it would be a massive essay so I’ll leave it for now and maybe write more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 7 minutes ago, blandy said: I might be horribly wrong, but I think the whole underlying tenet of this is utter bollex. i’d write more but it would be a massive essay so I’ll leave it for now and maybe write more later. Please do. That's why I phrased it as I did. My suggestion was based on anecdotal experience, having worked in Bradford for 28 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 54 minutes ago, mjmooney said: *your* Grammar Nazi'd him within 2 minutes! How many years have you been waiting to do that for? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 27 Moderator Share Posted February 27 8 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Grammar Nazi'd him within 2 minutes! How many years have you been waiting to do that for? He's done it to me loads of times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genie Posted February 27 Popular Post Share Posted February 27 Just now, bickster said: He's done it to me loads of times 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I think there’s probably a tendency for relatively poor Muslims in shit jobs and bad housing to vote Labour, and business oriented types in blacked out range rovers cos they’ve got three vape shops or are landlords to some bad housing to see themselves as tory. I base this on nothing but my presumption they’d be much like anyone else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted February 27 Moderator Share Posted February 27 They really are digging a bigger hole every time they appear right now, same never heard of him immigration minister, different show, stumped by the political heavyweights that are Richard Madeley and Suzannah Reid Quote Mr Tomlinson replied: “It was wrong.” “Was it Islamophobic?”, Mr Madeley asked. “It was wrong,” Mr Tomlinson replied. Mr Madeley said: “Every single minister we have spoken to refuses to use the word Islamophobia. Is this some instruction you have been given?” Susanna Reid then asked: “Are you allergic to the word Islamophobic?” Indie You know when you refuse to answer what everyone consideres an easy and simple question to answer because you know it stops the subsequent question, journalists are just going to keep on asking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 26 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: I think there’s probably a tendency for relatively poor Muslims in shit jobs and bad housing to vote Labour, and business oriented types in blacked out range rovers cos they’ve got three vape shops or are landlords to some bad housing to see themselves as tory. I base this on nothing but my presumption they’d be much like anyone else. What about the consultants, doctors, surgeons, engineers, dentist etc etc..........that are Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 29 minutes ago, tinker said: What about the consultants, doctors, surgeons, engineers, dentist etc etc..........that are Muslims. Well I wasn’t attempting to classify all Muslims I was attempting to suggest they are much like anyone else. But if you want me to extend my guess, then I’d guess some consultants that can earn far more working for Spire than the NHS are quite tory, some nurses on the edge of needing foodbanks would tend towards labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 29 minutes ago, tinker said: What about the consultants, doctors, surgeons, engineers, dentist etc etc..........that are Muslims. I imagine that @chrisp65's final line is the important one. I imagine doctors that are Muslim probably vote along the same sort of trends as doctors that aren't Muslim do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, bickster said: He's done it to me loads of times Hes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 There are supposedly some stats from YouGov in this essay: Quote 85% of Muslims canvassed in 2017 said they voted Labour with 11% supporting the conservatives. https://religionmediacentre.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/How-faith-communities-vote-in-UK-elections.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted February 27 VT Supporter Share Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, LondonLax said: There are supposedly some stats from YouGov in this essay: https://religionmediacentre.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/How-faith-communities-vote-in-UK-elections.pdf Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 6 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I think there’s probably a tendency for relatively poor Muslims in shit jobs and bad housing to vote Labour, and business oriented types in blacked out range rovers cos they’ve got three vape shops or are landlords to some bad housing to see themselves as tory. I base this on nothing but my presumption they’d be much like anyone else. That would be accurate I reckon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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