Vive_La_Villa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 In fairness, hardly any of the managerial changes that happened down the bottom last season actually worked out. Fulham changed managers twice and still went down. Cardiff changed and went down. Norwich changed and went down. Funnily enough, all the managers that were at those clubs at the end of the season have also since left. I'm not saying that Lambert should stay by the way, but I can see why Lerner is averse to getting rid of him in the middle of the season. That's very true but why not mention Palace, Sunderland, Swansea and Albion who all changed their manager and stayed up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not to mention that Norwich went down due to sticking with Hughton until too late. The new manager came in with only five games left and the damage had been done by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The most important stat is that we stuck with Lambert the last two seasons and he kept us up. Lerner will also have in mind that sticking with Mcleish and Houllier during the season paid off as well, in terms of avoiding relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not to mention that Norwich went down due to sticking with Hughton until too late. The new manager came in with only five games left and the damage had been done by then. Wasn't that more to do with their horrendous run in though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not to mention that Norwich went down due to sticking with Hughton until too late. The new manager came in with only five games left and the damage had been done by then. Wasn't that more to do with their horrendous run in though? Precisely, Hughton had screwed up their winnable fixtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The most important stat is that we stuck with Lambert the last two seasons and he kept us up. Lerner will also have in mind that sticking with Mcleish and Houllier during the season paid off as well, in terms of avoiding relegation. You're right and he will probably keep us up again. But it doesn't make supporting Aston Villa any bearable right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffy Biro Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The most important stat is that we stuck with Lambert the last two seasons and he kept us up. Lerner will also have in mind that sticking with Mcleish and Houllier during the season paid off as well, in terms of avoiding relegation. Doesn't mean you can keep getting away with it because it worked for the previous seasons. I see what you're saying and the way Lerner probably see's it but its a dangerous game and in all honesty he should have cut his losses with Lambert after the first season and certainly after the second yet here we are as awful as ever and hes sitting on a new deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not to mention that Norwich went down due to sticking with Hughton until too late. The new manager came in with only five games left and the damage had been done by then. Wasn't that more to do with their horrendous run in though? Precisely, Hughton had screwed up their winnable fixtures. Fair point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 In fairness, hardly any of the managerial changes that happened down the bottom last season actually worked out. Fulham changed managers twice and still went down. Cardiff changed and went down. Norwich changed and went down. Funnily enough, all the managers that were at those clubs at the end of the season have also since left. I'm not saying that Lambert should stay by the way, but I can see why Lerner is averse to getting rid of him in the middle of the season. That's very true but why not mention Palace, Sunderland, Swansea and Albion who all changed their manager and stayed up? Swansea weren't in any real relegation trouble when they got rid of Laudrup and IIRC neither were West Brom when they sacked Clarke (may be wrong on the latter though). Even still, nothing improved under Mel and he too ended up leaving at the end of the season. Crystal Palace and Sunderland were obvious ones that worked out although Pulis left Palace in the summer and while Sunderland managed to stay up under Poyet, they've been struggling all this season just like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 So basically with or without Lambert, expect to struggle from now on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Wasn't we struggling at the end of Brian little's reign....Gregory came in and won 9 of the remaining 11 games. can we get history to repeat itself? Perhaps not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) So basically with or without Lambert, expect to struggle from now on? As long as Lerner is here, yes I think we're going to struggle. I think Lambert should go at the end of the season though regardless. Edited February 8, 2015 by Mantis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) So basically with or without Lambert, expect to struggle from now on?As long as Lerner is here, yes I think we're going to struggle. I think Lambert should go at the end of the season though regardless. You're probably right but to be fair to Lambert I do think he has managed to assemble a better squad than the one he inherited. Plus the average age is a lot younger so there is room for further improvement. But it's definitely time for a change and new approach. Edited February 8, 2015 by Vive_La_Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) One thing I did see that I havn't seen for weeks.....yes a goal, but more importantly the way it was scored. ball comes in (after player beats his man) to space rather than a head....player attacks the space by way of movement and meets the ball aiming for the same space.....bingo. we need to learn how to move in to space and players on the ball play in to space. playing to feet is fine but you eventually get closed down, it becomes predictable....it needs to be mixed up. Edited February 8, 2015 by TRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The most important stat is that we stuck with Lambert the last two seasons and he kept us up. Lerner will also have in mind that sticking with Mcleish and Houllier during the season paid off as well, in terms of avoiding relegation. He didn't keep us up. Its teams below us that saved our season, will be the same this time, not Lambert's genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 #InLambertWeTrust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 #InLambertWeTrust It'll have to be till the end of the season now I suppose. But on that last day if we are safe, I and many others should give him hell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vive_La_Villa Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 #InLambertWeTrust It'll have to be till the end of the season now I suppose. But on that last day if we are safe, I and many others should give him hell. I hate to see what you'll give him if we go down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 In fairness, hardly any of the managerial changes that happened down the bottom last season actually worked out. Fulham changed managers twice and still went down. Cardiff changed and went down. Norwich changed and went down. Funnily enough, all the managers that were at those clubs at the end of the season have also since left. I'm not saying that Lambert should stay by the way, but I can see why Lerner is averse to getting rid of him in the middle of the season. That's very true but why not mention Palace, Sunderland, Swansea and Albion who all changed their manager and stayed up? im sure West Brom stayed up in spite of Pepe Mel and Swansea were never really in any danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 The most important stat is that we stuck with Lambert the last two seasons and he kept us up. Lerner will also have in mind that sticking with Mcleish and Houllier during the season paid off as well, in terms of avoiding relegation. He didn't keep us up. Its teams below us that saved our season, will be the same this time, not Lambert's genius. That's like saying to the Champions (whoever they may be at any given time) that they're only Champions because the teams below them weren't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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