Xela Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said: everything gets dismissed. ive seen enough stuff and know enough people who have experienced supernatural occurences, and not all my experiences were drug related. as i said some believe and some dont. Yet never any conclusive evidence? Same as aliens and Bigfoot. Any photos/videos claiming something exists look like they have been taken with a potato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, useless said: Maybe ghosts are clever enough not to leave any evidence (they are supernatural beings, after all). And what makes you think that anything can be "supernatural"? And if something existed which was outside of nature, how would it interact with nature in a way that you (anyone) could discern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 The Japanese ghost is a bit quicker here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 3 minutes ago, limpid said: And what makes you think that anything can be "supernatural"? And if something existed which was outside of nature, how would it interact with nature in a way that you (anyone) could discern? Well that was rather the point of this post 15 minutes ago, useless said: If something can be destroyed by the truth then it should be destroyed by the truth. And the truth is that no one knows if 'they' exist or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted January 31, 2016 Just now, useless said: Well that was rather the point of this post It was? How? I don't think you understand the burden of proof. If someone claims that ghosts exist they need to provide evidence, not anecdotes and personal experience. It's for the maker of a claim to justify their claim, not for everyone else to prove that it's not true. I don't believe in ghosts in the same way I don't believe in Nessie or fairies or gods, because there is no evidence that they exist. I can't prove they don't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Having recently spent the best part of a month on jury service I understand the burden of proof all too well, and I'm not really sure how anything I've written suggests otherwise. The rest of your post doesn't make sense either, at least not in reply to anything I've written. I don't believe or disbelieve in ghosts, because there is no conclusive evidence that they do or don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted January 31, 2016 16 minutes ago, useless said: I don't believe or disbelieve in ghosts, because there is no conclusive evidence that they do or don't exist. It's logically impossible to prove a negative claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It might be impossible but that's not proof that something doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted January 31, 2016 Administrator Share Posted January 31, 2016 18 minutes ago, useless said: It might be impossible but that's not proof that something doesn't exist. You can't prove something doesn't exist. It's a logical fallacy to suggest that you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Again 'you rather make my point for me'. Besides I'm not asking anyone to prove that ghosts do or don't exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginko Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 God, it's like the camo shorts all over again sans the humour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 31, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 hour ago, useless said: It might be impossible but that's not proof that something doesn't exist. By definition then you must believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: By definition then you must believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. No, what are you talking about? I'm just saying that just because you can't proof that something doesn't exist, that in itself isn't proof that said thing doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 31, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 minute ago, useless said: No, what are you talking about? I'm just saying that just because you can't proof that something doesn't exist, that in itself isn't proof that said thing doesn't exist. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said: Exactly! Exactly what? I'm saying that there's no conclusive proof either way as to whether ghosts exist or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xann Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Opening the office last year, I found our work's caser football in the middle of the floor with a big hole torn in it. Thinking it was one of the management with a bee in his bonnet, we recalled the CCTV footage to see whose wrath we might be facing? Alas the ball's starting position wasn't covered, falling between two cameras, but its final resting position was. Sure enough, long before I appear to open up and deactivate the alarm, the ball rolls into shot. We were all scratching our heads after that. The thermostats aren't on timers, we turn heating on when we get in. So heat expansion seemed unlikely. There's not much food around, and what's about is inaccessible. Never seen vermin or even signs of their presence. We'd also been kicking the ball about the day the before. If it had been on the edge of catastrophic failure, you'd have thought it would have gone then. Not suggesting there was a supernatural agent involved, but on the surface, it is quite difficult to explain. Edited January 31, 2016 by Xann Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It doesn't follow from anything I've written that I believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NurembergVillan Posted January 31, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2016 4 minutes ago, useless said: It doesn't follow from anything I've written that I believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. Prove you don't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 we honestly know so little about the universe and what happens when we die. not everything is black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
useless Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, useless said: It doesn't follow from anything I've written that I believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. 4 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said: Prove you don't... Nor does it follow from anything I've written that I don't believe that all religions are true, aliens exist and Elvis is still alive. Just because I'm saying that something may or may not exist that doesn't mean I'm not highly skeptical indeed, of it's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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