sidcow Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 You know how dangerous EV's are because they keep bursting into flames. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-latin-america-66529625 Watch moment passengers flee after bus catches fire in Buenos Aires CCTV footage shows a bus in Argentina engulfed in flames while burning fuel spilled across the highway. According to local media, the fire was the result of an electrical issue. No injuries have been reported. At least they don't spread burning fuel across the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 One of the issues with EVs is actually putting them out if they burst into flames. You have most of the problems of a standard car fire mixed with an electrical fire which can't be extinguished in the normal way a fire service would tackle them, as they're caused by the batteries and burn extremely hot. And they have a habit of resparking a fire some time after the flames have eventually been put out. One of the only reliable ways they've discovered of preventing the batteries reigniting after a fire is to literally submerge the entire burnt out husk in a huge water tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Chindie said: One of the issues with EVs is actually putting them out if they burst into flames. You have most of the problems of a standard car fire mixed with an electrical fire which can't be extinguished in the normal way a fire service would tackle them, as they're caused by the batteries and burn extremely hot. And they have a habit of resparking a fire some time after the flames have eventually been put out. One of the only reliable ways they've discovered of preventing the batteries reigniting after a fire is to literally submerge the entire burnt out husk in a huge water tank. So entire burnt out husks burst into flame again. The burning just never stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, sidcow said: So entire burnt out husks burst into flame again. The burning just never stops. Yes. The batteries potentially keep reacting. The reaction causes heat. It eventually can get to the point they burst back into flames. It gets mentioned on this video - reports of electric vehicles bursting into flames a fortnight after a fire was extinguished. They also show the tank they drop the cars into in Germany. It's just a new thing to be aware of with electric vehicles. Where a concern with ICE vehicles was the petrol tank going, with electric vehicles the concern is that putting the fire out isn't the end of the danger with them and the batteries can be a source of ignition long after the original fire was dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chindie said: Yes. The batteries potentially keep reacting. The reaction causes heat. It eventually can get to the point they burst back into flames. It gets mentioned on this video - reports of electric vehicles bursting into flames a fortnight after a fire was extinguished. They also show the tank they drop the cars into in Germany. It's just a new thing to be aware of with electric vehicles. Where a concern with ICE vehicles was the petrol tank going, with electric vehicles the concern is that putting the fire out isn't the end of the danger with them and the batteries can be a source of ignition long after the original fire was dealt with. Guy Martin the non sensationalist, pro EV specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, sidcow said: Guy Martin the non sensationalist, pro EV specialist. He has used electric cars for ages. His house is riddled with pro-energy saving green tech. The series that is from is actually very, very pro electric vehicles. Edit The series is basically 'Guy is interested in electric vehicles, let's learn about them'. And has him testing all sorts of EVs (supercars, trucks, buses, bikes, a digger) and learning about the development of them. The most critical it becomes is him taking a bog standard electric car on a long journey, where he struggles a bit with charging, but even then the takeaway is the infrastructure is still getting there, but it IS getting there. Edited August 17, 2023 by Chindie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 17, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted August 17, 2023 On 10/08/2023 at 11:14, StefanAVFC said: Yes, for that price though I'd rather have a Volvo Confirmation if we needed it that Stefan is about to become a dad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 Nissan qashqai. Can honestly its the best car ive ever had. I love it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted August 17, 2023 Share Posted August 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Nissan qashqai. Can honestly its the best car ive ever had. I love it British built as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakemineVanilla Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 09/08/2023 at 10:14, blandy said: I do too. Seen loads on 70s cars though. BMWs, VW, Datsun, Triumph, Landy, Porsche, Rover, Italian cars… It’s my go to thing. Nothing on Sports? catch up TV, car resto. Croker has a new video, which includes a demonstration of the dark arts of welding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted September 13, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted September 13, 2023 I don't quite gel with this guy's ersatz Clarkson style but he does get around a lot of really cool cars. But anyway. Is the Skyline the only car that basically exists to be modded? Any other car, if you hear it's been modded, there's usually the subtext that in fact the owner has ruined it a bit. But with the Skyline, particularly the R32, you hear it's been modded and it's like that's just what you expect, and the car isn't cheapened or undermined by it. Even like in this case where the mod has ruined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billson Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this! It might be a really dumb question but I don't know much at all about cars and only drive out of necessity rather than any enjoyment or interest in cars. I have a Skoda Fabia estate 2012 diesel car and luckily only have to pay £30 tax annually which I believe is because the C02 emissions are low? However I can't drive in the Birmingham clean air zone without charge because of C02 emissions?? So is my car in some kind of emissions middle ground where they aren't low enough to get me free driving in the city centre but still low enough that I don't have to pay much tax? Or have I got this all wrong? I just want to know for my own curiosity really and I can't find an answer online... probably because, as seen above, I don't really know how to ask the question or what I'm really talking about! I hope someone can decipher this and give me an answer please! It would be most appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 13 minutes ago, Billson said: Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this! It might be a really dumb question but I don't know much at all about cars and only drive out of necessity rather than any enjoyment or interest in cars. I have a Skoda Fabia estate 2012 diesel car and luckily only have to pay £30 tax annually which I believe is because the C02 emissions are low? However I can't drive in the Birmingham clean air zone without charge because of C02 emissions?? So is my car in some kind of emissions middle ground where they aren't low enough to get me free driving in the city centre but still low enough that I don't have to pay much tax? Or have I got this all wrong? I just want to know for my own curiosity really and I can't find an answer online... probably because, as seen above, I don't really know how to ask the question or what I'm really talking about! I hope someone can decipher this and give me an answer please! It would be most appreciated! Right, so for your tax the emissions are in the 111 to 120g/km range. Birmingham uses the Euro 6 Emission Standard for Diesel Cars and that is significantly lower at 80mg/km. Euro 5 is much higher and you would have been OK with that standard, but Euro 6, not so much. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 They should make the charges lower so everyone can afford it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billson Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: Right, so for your tax the emissions are in the 111 to 120g/km range. Birmingham uses the Euro 6 Emission Standard for Diesel Cars and that is significantly lower at 80mg/km. Euro 5 is much higher and you would have been OK with that standard, but Euro 6, not so much. Thank you! Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: They should make the charges lower so everyone can afford it. Far less inconvenience for all. Edited September 14, 2023 by Genie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Billson said: I have a Skoda Fabia estate 2012 diesel car and luckily only have to pay £30 tax annually which I believe is because the C02 emissions are low? However I can't drive in the Birmingham clean air zone without charge because of C02 emissions?? So is my car in some kind of emissions middle ground where they aren't low enough to get me free driving in the city centre but still low enough that I don't have to pay much tax? Or have I got this all wrong? 4 hours ago, Seat68 said: Right, so for your tax the emissions are in the 111 to 120g/km range. Birmingham uses the Euro 6 Emission Standard for Diesel Cars and that is significantly lower at 80mg/km. Euro 5 is much higher and you would have been OK with that standard, but Euro 6, not so much. The mad thing is @Billson, is that my car's emissions are 226g/km, which means I pay £675 a year road tax. However, I can drive into Birmingham free of charge! As mine is petrol, not diesel. The aim of the CAZ is to keep diesels out of the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I've been talking about this for over a year, and I've got away with it for coming up to two years, having mastered getting a baby, car seat, pram, meds box, food pump, change bag and other miscellaneous baby paraphernalia into a Mazda Mx5, but we've just got another bit of specialist kit, a wheelchair that doesn't fold down, and it has finally come to the point that I have got to accept that I probably need a practical "family car". That, or a luggage rack on the boot. Hmm. Don't want to jump into any hasty decisions I might regret. May as well try the luggage rack first... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xela Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I've been talking about this for over a year, and I've got away with it for coming up to two years, having mastered getting a baby, car seat, pram, meds box, food pump, change bag and other miscellaneous baby paraphernalia into a Mazda Mx5, but we've just got another bit of specialist kit, a wheelchair that doesn't fold down, and it has finally come to the point that I have got to accept that I probably need a practical "family car". That, or a luggage rack on the boot. Hmm. Don't want to jump into any hasty decisions I might regret. May as well try the luggage rack first... I see in your future... Spoiler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 My social conscience says Nissan Leaf, my heart says we're all going to die anyway so I may as well get a Golf R. Or a plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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