Ironsid Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Yes. I should have said "allegedly". I still like the story though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I have seen him play a few times and Tore Flo springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post P3nnyw1se Posted August 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2013 The Day Helenius plays and scores in a Premier League match... will be a busy day for me.. I have a list of forum users in Denmark I have to personally contact and say 'WHAT NOW BITCH!"' 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 This false 9 seems to be part of lamberts plan. With Gabby and Weimann wide cutting inside we would effectively be switching from 4-3-3/4-5-1 to 4-4-2 diamond with Gabby and and Weimann being the front two when attacking, its actually the formation and approach I have been hoping to see from england, with Rooney and Theo Walcott being our best attackers and would help Gabby get back in the england squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanishVillan Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not selected for the upcoming Denmark friendly. Could be to let him focus on settling at Villa. The guy selected (Nicki Bille) plays for Rosenborg and wouldn´t say he was better in any way. Okore stay in Birmingham as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3nnyw1se Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Okore is usually picked its obviously due to them landing in a new club focusing on the upstart.. maybe they were even offered and said no themselves.. we won't know fact is they aren't playning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 "False nine", "bomb squad", I've been away from this forum too long. I don't even know what anyone is talking about anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not selected for the upcoming Denmark friendly. Could be to let him focus on settling at Villa. The guy selected (Nicki Bille) plays for Rosenborg and wouldn´t say he was better in any way. Okore stay in Birmingham as well. Nicki Bille is great. not as a footballer but he is a moany word removed and his red card for Rosenborg a few weeks back was a classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nath182 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 In my 30+ years of watching and playing football I've never come across the term "false 9". I guess it's a modern thing comin' from some fans trying to be clever. It's also a formation on FIFA, so we aren't making it up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Jonno Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The false nine, has never been used before, until the last couple of seasons really. so why would of anyone heard of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brumerican Posted August 6, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2013 We played most of last season with a false back 4 so who knows what lies ahead. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandaq Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not selected for the upcoming Denmark friendly. Could be to let him focus on settling at Villa. The guy selected (Nicki Bille) plays for Rosenborg and wouldn´t say he was better in any way. Okore stay in Birmingham as well. Kinda weird, Bille has scored some goals this season.. 7 of 16. But Helenius is more talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Helenius as a False-9 in a 4-2-3-1 - which we played frequently last year. Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan 3-3-3-1 Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Luna Clark Lowton Vlaar Okore Guzan That's not what a false nine is though, a false nine isn't a guy playing behind the striker, a false nine is, well I'm having trouble explaining it so this link does a better job than I could. http://www.fifahub.com/index.php?/topic/872-what-is-a-false-9-basic-concepts-explained/ Edit: Yes that's about a video game but same concept Thanks for that. Yes, it's from a computer game but it sounds logical. Helenius could only be a false 9 if he took up Benteke's position as the apparent "lone striker." My formation lineup had him playing as a #10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) For Gardner, swap for Kiyotake, if we get him, or Tonev if he plays that position. Helenius playing as a false 9 - Weimann Helenius Gardner Agbonlahor Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan Or... Tonev Helenius Gardner Albrighton Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan Edited August 6, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 For Gardner, swap for Kiyotake, if we get him, or Tonev if he plays that position. Helenius playing as a false 9 - Weimann Helenius Gardner Agbonlahor Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan Or... Tonev Helenius Gardner Albrighton Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan Con where do you keep getting 12 players from! Also a false 9 plays up front ON HIS OWN and false 9 only works with 1 CF and that CF drops deep to make room for one or both of the attackers on the flanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Starting formation: ------------------------------Helenius----------------------------- Gabby------------------------------------------------Weimann ----------Delph---------------------------Sylla------------------ -------------------------Westwood------------------------------ Luna----------Okore------------------Vlaar----------Lowton -----------------------------Guzan------------------------------- Attacking Formation: ----------Gabby------------------------------Weimann--------- ----------------------------Helenius------------------------------ --------------Delph-----------------------Sylla------------------- ---------------------------Westwood----------------------------- Luna----------Okore------------------Vlaar----------Lowton -----------------------------Guzan-------------------------------- So Helenius drops into the hole between defense and attack, Gabby move inside to the inside left channel and Weimann inside to the inside right channel, and depend on which Centre back (if any) follows Helenius one of Gabby or Weimann gets clean run in on goal. Also with our attacking fullbacks they will be the ones expected to provide the width and crosses into the box. This formation plays nicely into the strenghts of all our attackers as Weimann is adept at ghosting inside from the right flank, Gabby loves to cut inside and run in behind and Helenius offers awarness, touch and good shot so if the CB's decide not to follow Helenius he has plenty of room to get a shot off or space to run at the defense. The only weakness is that it will leave the flanks vulnerable to attack if we get disposessed. However that is easily overcome by getting one of the two centre mids to cover the overlap of the fullback, and only allow one fullback to get forward at a time. Edited August 6, 2013 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Um. While Philosopher's formations above do set out a proper "False Nine" formation as I understand it, has anyone spotted that...er...there is no place for...er...Benteke? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 False 9 is just a term for a lone striker that isn't actually a striker, he is a midfielder, hence the word 'false'. For further information, see Cesc Fabregas last season for Barcelona, often played in such a position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Um. While Philosopher's formations above do set out a proper "False Nine" formation as I understand it, has anyone spotted that...er...there is no place for...er...Benteke? :o Thats correct, you aren't playing a false 9 if you play with two centre forwards! This is the alternative if Benteke is injured or having a stinker, we can change our approach and surprise the opposition with a tactical threat instead of relying on the unplayable beast! If you play benteke then as well then Helenuis occupies the traditional number ten role, the link striker aka trequartista and you go taditional 4-4-2 / 4-2-4. Either way with helenius in the squad it give us options galore! Something Bent can't do. When you see what our 4 strikers (not including Bent) its obvious that Bent offers very little in comparison. As we know already that Benteke is every bit as prolific as Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 False 9 is just a term for a lone striker that isn't actually a striker, he is a midfielder, hence the word 'false'. For further information, see Cesc Fabregas last season for Barcelona, often played in such a position. Yes, but the false 9 isn't really normal midfielder as in Helenius' case he will offer a target up top when defending who can hold it up and bring others into play like the outlet Benteke offers us, up until we have the ball he is an orthadox number 9 and expected to close down the CB's. Only once we get in and around that final third does he become a midfielder and then he operates in the hole rather than central midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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