Current affairs Serious incident in Woolwich

[Delphinho123]

 

 

I spent an evening on a video on FB, telling the bigots why they're bigots. Needless to say, they don't listen to a word you're saying and just say things like 'you bum muslims' and waffle on about sharia law. It's fairly entertaining if you're having a slow night.

 

EDIT: And the fact that they're growing in stature scares me too.

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

What mess?  

They'll be baddies and goodies no matter what.

 

 

The mess of a dead soldier lying in the middle of a road in Woolwich.

[Wainy316]

 

 

Probably being one of the more qualified people on here to speak about being Muslim in Britain. i have frequented mosques in London, Birmingham, Leamington, Manchester, Nottingham, Essex  and so on and I have yet to hear one hint of Muslims wanting to take over Britain,....ah forget it.  What is the point. It just angers me at the ignorance.  People attacking my faith with their nonsense calling the Quran the Kerrang.  I mean seriously?  What do they actually know with a comment like that?  I welcome intelligent debate and respect it.  Pure ignorance though is just depressing. 

 

Sadly the EDL thugs seem to be growing by number. Civil War! Ludicrous.  Trying to hype up something that isnt there.  99.9% of Muslims in the UK are just getting on with their lives, trying to provide for their families and live a good, honest life.  These two murderers in Woolwich have nothing to do with my faith. 

RIP Lee Rigby.  My thoughts are with his family in all of this.

 

Britain is full of clearings in the woods.  That I don't doubt.  Just go out on a Friday night in any major city and see for yourself.  However on a whole Britain has been exposed to a multitude of cultures and religions more than most but it is still a relatively new phenomenon on the whole.  What 50 years?

Think of how rife out and out racism was just 20 years ago

On a scale of multiculturalism this country scores pretty damn high, and people are continuing to be more enlightened.  When a hate crimes happens like it did the other day, the idiotic minority speak loudest and in turn our facebook feeds turn to shit. 

 

Not so sure the leaders and people of many 'Islamic' countries would be any more aware of other beliefs and cultures, but I agree there is still a lot of work to be done here.

 

 

I thought you wrote 'on a scale of 1 to multiculturalism this country scores pretty damn high' and I was gonna high five you through the screen.

 

 

 

Was going to...? So should I consider that a high five withdrawn?

For the love of God/Allah/Steve, a withdrawn high five results in instant damnation.

[Wainy316]

 

 

 

I spent an evening on a video on FB, telling the bigots why they're bigots. Needless to say, they don't listen to a word you're saying and just say things like 'you bum muslims' and waffle on about sharia law. It's fairly entertaining if you're having a slow night.

 

EDIT: And the fact that they're growing in stature scares me too.

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

What mess?  

They'll be baddies and goodies no matter what.

 

 

The mess of a dead soldier lying in the middle of a road in Woolwich.

 

 

So that's the fault of the liberals, not the fault of two psychopaths wielding a machete?

[Delphinho123]

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries, more-so in the sense they believe there's a fella named Allah living above the clouds. But I suppose thats a different argument.

[Wainy316]

 

 

 

 

 

I spent an evening on a video on FB, telling the bigots why they're bigots. Needless to say, they don't listen to a word you're saying and just say things like 'you bum muslims' and waffle on about sharia law. It's fairly entertaining if you're having a slow night.

 

EDIT: And the fact that they're growing in stature scares me too.

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

What mess?  

They'll be baddies and goodies no matter what.

 

 

The mess of a dead soldier lying in the middle of a road in Woolwich.

 

 

So that's the fault of the liberals, not the fault of two psychopaths wielding a machete?

 

 

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries, more-so in the sense they believe there's a fella named Allah living above the clouds. But I suppose thats a different argument. 

 

 

Yes, I am worried about men that wish to harm me.

 

Islam is retarded, just like the other Abrahamic religions, however it is not inherently evil. 

 

Generalisations get you nowhere and you could apply it to no end of situations.  

[Keyblade]

 

 

 

 

 

I spent an evening on a video on FB, telling the bigots why they're bigots. Needless to say, they don't listen to a word you're saying and just say things like 'you bum muslims' and waffle on about sharia law. It's fairly entertaining if you're having a slow night.

 

EDIT: And the fact that they're growing in stature scares me too.

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

What mess?  

They'll be baddies and goodies no matter what.

 

 

The mess of a dead soldier lying in the middle of a road in Woolwich.

 

 

So that's the fault of the liberals, not the fault of two psychopaths wielding a machete?

 

 

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries, more-so in the sense they believe there's a fella named Allah living above the clouds. But I suppose thats a different argument. 

 

 

Really? That's what bothers you more?

[Delphinho123]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I spent an evening on a video on FB, telling the bigots why they're bigots. Needless to say, they don't listen to a word you're saying and just say things like 'you bum muslims' and waffle on about sharia law. It's fairly entertaining if you're having a slow night.

 

EDIT: And the fact that they're growing in stature scares me too.

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

What mess?  

They'll be baddies and goodies no matter what.

 

 

The mess of a dead soldier lying in the middle of a road in Woolwich.

 

 

So that's the fault of the liberals, not the fault of two psychopaths wielding a machete?

 

 

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries, more-so in the sense they believe there's a fella named Allah living above the clouds. But I suppose thats a different argument. 

 

 

Really? That's what bothers you more?

 

 

Both bother me to be honest.

[blandy]

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries...

There's no very much consistency in your argument is there? - if it's "bloody liberals" who are the reason we are "in this mess" I struggle to see who exactly you mean - Do you mean twisted psychopaths as in the people who committed the horror are bloody liberals? I'll grant you the "bloody", unfortunately, but liberal? clearly dismebowling and decaptitation of a random, innocent, person is not "liberal". Or perhaps you look deeper and feel that the wars started by the likes of George W Bush and the Neo-Con Rebublicans in America are to blame for bringing death to places like Iraq? - But they're not liberals either.

Perhaps these people have suffered racism and been turned against white people by their treatment? Well you couldn't blame that on the "liberals" who oppose racism, can you?

Well maybe it's the poverty caused by rampant capitalism, causing radicalisation of people? - Rampant capitalism isn't "liberal" either.

Then you go on to talk about it being the Islamic religion's fault. I'm not sure the liberals started Islam either. And surely it's bigoted to claim that believing in a cloud fairy makes an entire set of people guilty by association? And if your not blaming the people who believe in the cloud fairy, just blaming the concept of the cloud fairy, then I'm not sure that (even by your own admission) the cloud fairy is liberal.

It seems to me that you don't actually know who you blame, really.

Maybe start with the two people who did it. Then look at why they did it, look at why people anywhere commit terrorist acts. But that might be a bit "liberal" for you, perhaps.

So really your comment just looks like lashing out at people you don't agree with.

[snowychap]

Bloody liberals.

It comes to something when calling someone (a) liberal is seen as an insult.

[snowychap]

For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

I would have thought that was a large underestimation of the failure rate but as we're both guessing then who knows, eh?

[Ingram85]

I love you blandy

 

[leviramsey]

Bloody liberals.

It comes to something when calling someone (a) liberal is seen as an insult.

It has been in the US for a few decades now... arguably further back than Reagan

[legov]

 

People like yourself scare me a lot more than people who want the best for the country they live in.

 

Bloody liberals. You're the reason we're in this mess.

 

 

It's not just two psychopaths though is it? For every successful attack British Muslims have carried out on its own people, there have been 10 failed ones.

 

http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/three-british-muslims-plotted-suicide-bombing-campaign-bigger-than-7-7-court-hears/

 

The article above is an example of this. Genuine question, Does this not worry you a bit?

 

You can spin the argument all you like by saying its just two 'psychopaths' but the evidence seems to suggest otherwise. Islam is a disgraceful religion, not just in the sense it's the reason so many innocent people die everyday in so many countries...

There's no very much consistency in your argument is there? - if it's "bloody liberals" who are the reason we are "in this mess" I struggle to see who exactly you mean - Do you mean twisted psychopaths as in the people who committed the horror are bloody liberals? I'll grant you the "bloody", unfortunately, but liberal? clearly dismebowling and decaptitation of a random, innocent, person is not "liberal". Or perhaps you look deeper and feel that the wars started by the likes of George W Bush and the Neo-Con Rebublicans in America are to blame for bringing death to places like Iraq? - But they're not liberals either.

Perhaps these people have suffered racism and been turned against white people by their treatment? Well you couldn't blame that on the "liberals" who oppose racism, can you?

Well maybe it's the poverty caused by rampant capitalism, causing radicalisation of people? - Rampant capitalism isn't "liberal" either.

Then you go on to talk about it being the Islamic religion's fault. I'm not sure the liberals started Islam either. And surely it's bigoted to claim that believing in a cloud fairy makes an entire set of people guilty by association? And if your not blaming the people who believe in the cloud fairy, just blaming the concept of the cloud fairy, then I'm not sure that (even by your own admission) the cloud fairy is liberal.

It seems to me that you don't actually know who you blame, really.

Maybe start with the two people who did it. Then look at why they did it, look at why people anywhere commit terrorist acts. But that might be a bit "liberal" for you, perhaps.

So really your comment just looks like lashing out at people you don't agree with.

 

 

I like this post.

 

BUT at the same time I think he was referring to immigration, and open immigration is generally a "liberal" idea.

[snowychap]

It has been in the US for a few decades now... arguably further back than Reagan

True but then he's railing against inconsistency (of actions and opinions) in that song rather than liberalism really, isn't he? Edited May 27, 2013 by snowychap

[leviramsey]

Since liberalism (of varying stripes) has been the overarching ideology/civil religion in the US for roughly nine quarter-centuries, anybody of a revolutionary bent is going to have a deep disagreement with liberalism, per se; indeed, liberalism is so deeply rooted that it's only a particular (arguably rather illiberal...) variety of it that tends to get called that in the US.

[StefanAVFC]

I'm not a Liberal 

 

I love how that is the first argument that comes to hand when somebody agrees that immigration is a good thing. I want immigration because I *want what's best for my country. The fact of the matter is, immigrants fill jobs that English people don't want to do and immigration numbers are going down year upon year. I just don't understand why people are getting behind a party who's sole policy is to fight immigration when immigration is doing fine by itself.

 

And I'm more dangerous than a BNP/UKIP follower? Behave. I'm defending immigration, not inciting racial hatred.

 

*but apparently I don't

[blandy]

Ok.

Well if he was saying open immigration is to blame for "the mess we're in", and that open immigration is down to bloody liberals, then lets look at that.

I think he implied that he was pleased that doctors, nurses, teachers, scientists and such like come here from abroad whatever their beliefs in cloud fairies. I guess also that there's no objection to people coming here to work in less skilled jobs - as he's not a racist. Jobs like hotel receptionists, cleaners, bar staff, shop workers and so on. Of course the ones that come from the EU come here because the tories took us into the EEC (now called the EU) with a referendum. So that wasn't the "liberals" unless the people of 1970s britain were liberals, but accidentally voted the tories in by mistake. Doh!

So maybe it's just the ones from the Commonwealth countries coming here that are the issue? You know places like Australia, New Zealand....India, Nigeria, Pakistan and another 50 or so nations? or from the (former) British Empire. Neither of those things was down to the Liberals, either, unless what's actually to blame for the "mess we're in" is the founding of the Commonwealth by the Liberal Gov't in the 1890s, or Labour in the 1940s asking for help at the end of the war from our friends in the Empire to come and rebuild the country. But then these people coming here to rebuild the country more than 60 years ago can't be to blame, can they?

If it's more recent immigrants who are to blame, is it the liberals who have been the reason they've come here? (whether or not the immigrants are somehow at fault). Well clearly not.

So are the immigrants the reason the country is in "this mess". I rather think not. As we've agreed, doctors, nurses, teachers, scientists, students, cleaners, bus drivers, restauranteurs and so on are decent people, all serving the needs of the population at large.

There's probably less of them, or their children in things like Banking, finance & politics of course, or indeed on the boards at leading tax avoiders like Amazon, Google, Vodaphone. But who would want to blame bankers or politicians or tycoons for the "mess"? when you can blame "mass immigration".

None of which is to deny that there are clearly problems in parts of our society with radicalisation and twisted indoctrination of often weak people by a relatively small number of religious nut-jobs. The thing is though, that it's the "nut-job" part, not the "religious" part of that name that is the area of concern. Because the huge huge majority of cloud fairy believers (whichever cloud fairy) are not "wicked", quite the opposite. Whereas all nut-jobs are nut-jobs.

So you can get pillocks in the EDL who don't believe in a cloud fairy but who are nut-jobs and are a problem, whereas the Imam of Birmingham who isn't a nut-job, but is a Muslim says that "the sheer brutality and inhumanity of the brazen attack committed in Woolwich. By bringing God’s name into it, they have actually defied His name...it is only by coming together that we can reach understanding and respect for each other. By helping each other we can solve every problem, by staying apart we will only aggravate the situation." So he's a good guy, not wicked at all.

The EDL of course responded by throwing bricks at mosques, attempting arson, trying to enter a mosque with a knife to attack people, and so on. Now that does look wicked, to me.

The nut-jobs will not win, because as the brave woman Ingrid Loyau-Kennett who confronted the attackers said "it is only you versus many".

[omariqy]

More Muslims die from terrorist attacks committed by so called Muslims. You make general sweeping comments about a religion of which you know nothing about. Just what you have read on the Internet. Arabic is one of the most complex languages around where one word can mean 3 things. If you want to know more about a subject I'm more than happy to answer questions. If I don't know the answer I will find it out for you. Happy to educate. Blaming liberals is just idiotic.

[StefanAVFC]

What angers me most is that the EDL and BNP are using the death of Lee Rigby to promote their agenda. Proper sickening.

[omariqy]

Did you see their logo for their protests... A bloodied meat cleaver. I mean come on. A family has lost their son and you use that image. Horrific.