Margaret Thatcher dies of a stroke.

[Awol]

Rooftop snipers ? Hang on, are we really living in a "free" country here ?

Don't worry they have orders to only shoot people carrying "Socialist Worker" placards.

[drat01]

But protesting an actual funeral ceremony?  You'd need to be a special kind of word removed to do that.

 

You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to spend millions for a funeral for one of teh most divisive and hateful PM's all in the name of politics. You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to do that and agree with it and then support a political party that encourages social divide, persecution of the most vulnerable etc.

Edited April 14, 2013 by drat01

[peterms]

 

Rooftop snipers ? Hang on, are we really living in a "free" country here ?

Don't worry they have orders to only shoot people carrying "Socialist Worker" placards.

 

 

Or resembling Brazilian electricians?

[Xann]

Don't worry they have orders to only shoot people carrying "Socialist Worker" placards.

 

This is why you need an inflatable banana.

[markavfc40]

So now they want a Maggie library and Maggie museum.

 

 

They most likely will and then true to the spirit of the witches memory it will then be closed down and sold off.

Edited April 14, 2013 by markavfc40

[Awol]

 

But protesting an actual funeral ceremony?  You'd need to be a special kind of word removed to do that.

 

You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to spend millions for a funeral for one of teh most divisive and hateful PM's all in the name of politics. You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to do that and agree with it and then support a political party that encourages social divide, persecution of the most vulnerable etc.

 

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

[peterms]

For anyone who's interested in an assessment of the economic record of the governments she headed, an assessment based on assembling and reviewing facts rather than spouting ideology, here's one.

 

[rendelc]

 

Rooftop snipers ? Hang on, are we really living in a "free" country here ?

Don't worry they have orders to only shoot people carrying "Socialist Worker" placards.

 

and that word removed romany blythe.

[drat01]

 

 

But protesting an actual funeral ceremony?  You'd need to be a special kind of word removed to do that.

 

You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to spend millions for a funeral for one of teh most divisive and hateful PM's all in the name of politics. You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to do that and agree with it and then support a political party that encourages social divide, persecution of the most vulnerable etc.

 

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

 

 

I am laughing at you "demanding" an answer from me, especially when typically you and fellow Tory (and of course UKIP) supporters rarely answer any of the points other than with a "ahhh but Labour ..." or some personal abuse.

 

But ignoring that for one moment. you stated "protesting an actual funeral ceremony". Assuming that you actually meant "protesting AT an actual funeral ceremony" rather than what you have written, I can understand why some people are talking about it, why some people may do it certainly. The woman stood for and continues to influence through her ideology followed by people like Cameron, Osborne and Clegg some of the most vindictive policies typically against the most vulnerable in society. IMO fair minded people in society, rather than those driven by greed, are against that and will continue to be so even after she is turned into cat litter at the crem. The policies of Thatcherism and what is stands for, are basically being waved in the faces of many by this 10 million pound plus obscene charade that will happen this week. At a time when the Gvmt of the day are hitting the weak, infirmed, most vulnerable with punitive cuts, some people will then be annoyed by what they see.

 

How people will show their disgust for the woman, hatred of the policies and loathing of the whole massive outlay of public funds will be by however they want to. People have a right to protest, this is not your "typical" funeral when aunty and uncle, little cousins etc will all be there with bowed heads for the passing of a long loved aunt, this will be a political junket. Those who surrounded her, those who supported her and those who have set all of this pseduo-state funeral have ensured that. Anyone who thinks this is a normal funeral and all that typically goes along with it is a fool, IMO.

 

So yes there will be protests and yes I can understand why some will do it and why some have created the situation that make it more likely to occur.

[peterms]

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

 

I know you weren't asking me, but anyway...

 

Personally, I would divide it into two quite different things.  The "laying to rest" is the funeral, and I don't think protesting there would be appropriate, not being a member of Westboro Baptist Church.

 

On the other hand, this vast celebration of what she did and stood for, held at public expense and commandeering places like St Paul's, is a purely political event.  Let's not pretend it's the family grieving privately, shall we?  Even something like this, if it had been handled in a more sensitive and discreet way, would probably be best left alone.

 

But to ram it down the throats of all the millions she did down in this way, making out she's some sort of hero and we should all mourn her, is both ludicrous and more to the point deeply offensive.  I have no problem at all with people demonstrating against this part of it.

 

Please don't shoot me.

[Awol]

Drat, I asked you very politely for your opinion, nothing more. You say you understand it but I asked whether you thought it was acceptable. So, pretty please, with a cherry on top, do you think protesting at any funeral is acceptable? 

 

Thanks in advance..

[CI]

You'll probably find the police are monitoring this very thread.

Oh hang on, someone's at the door

[Awol]

 

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

 

But to ram it down the throats of all the millions she did down in this way, making out she's some sort of hero and we should all mourn her, is both ludicrous and more to the point deeply offensive.  I have no problem at all with people demonstrating against this part of it.

 

Please don't shoot me.

 

As others have rightly contributed regarding "Ding Dong the witch is dead", no one is being forced to watch, no one is being forced to participate, so if you don't like it, don't participate in it. Let's not pretend that the anti-Thatcher view is the only one in the country. In a post I made earlier in the thread (according to the Guardian) more people think she was good for the country than bad. So, respecting the view of the majority what is the harm in spending the same on a good send off for a politically giant figure as it has cost the country to house that barsteward  Abu Qatada?

[PauloBarnesi]

Rooftop snipers ? Hang on, are we really living in a "free" country here ?

 

And you are the one wondering if the Real IRA might be planning something.

 

Do you remember the troubles? Do you remember what a terrible thing it was? 

[chrisp65]

 

 

But protesting an actual funeral ceremony?  You'd need to be a special kind of word removed to do that.

 

You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to spend millions for a funeral for one of teh most divisive and hateful PM's all in the name of politics. You need to be a special kind of clearing in the woods to want to do that and agree with it and then support a political party that encourages social divide, persecution of the most vulnerable etc.

 

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

 

 

peaceful protest along the route of a publicly funded procession is perfectly acceptable

 

if you don't want attention, don't spend tax money (when apparently we are so stoney broke we need to close down Remploy) on a triumphant procession through the capital

[drat01]

Drat, I asked you very politely for your opinion, nothing more. You say you understand it but I asked whether you thought it was acceptable. So, pretty please, with a cherry on top, do you think protesting at any funeral is acceptable? 

 

Thanks in advance..

 

I answered that. I can understand why it may well happen. As said this is not any funeral at all, this is something totally different and I think anyone who thinks it's a "normal" one is deluded. As Peter says during the "laying to rest", which should have been a private thing for family and friends etc rather than a "sponsored by the tax payers of the UK" event it would have been different. I can understand what drives people to protest as said because of the way the whole day will map out.

 

Is it acceptable? it really does depend on the type and moment of protest. But I will keep saying, trying to compare this to the normal rules and etiquette of a family bereavement and funeral etc, is foolish

[peterms]

As others have rightly contributed regarding "Ding Dong the witch is dead", no one is being forced to watch, no one is being forced to participate, so if you don't like it, don't participate in it. Let's not pretend that the anti-Thatcher view is the only one in the country. In a post I made earlier in the thread (according to the Guardian) more people think she was good for the country than bad. So, respecting the view of the majority what is the harm in spending the same on a good send off for a politically giant figure as it has cost the country to house that barsteward  Abu Qatada?

 

I think you mistake what is happening here.

 

It's not a tv programme that you can watch or not as the mood takes you.

 

It's a statement of the views of the country.  This is because it's been wrongly turned into a state funeral, not either a private ceremony or a more restrained and dignified event.  It seeks to commemorate not Thatcher as a person, but Thatcherism as an ideology.  That's what it's about.  The very party which grew to loathe her, and which sacked her (and she never forgave this, or recovered from it) is seeking political advantage by appropriating our money and our institutions for an ideological celebration.  Cameron and the others are playing silly buggers, trying to position themselves so as to ward off attacks from within their own party for not outwardly demonstrating enough creeping sycophancy.  But they're doing it not in private, but in our name and with our money.

 

If they want to do that, let them do it with their own money and in a private space.  The idea of a library to commemorate her may look silly, especially as she had zero interest in or liking for culture, but at least it's a private thing and not an effort to try to tell the world that the country is united in thinking of her as wonderful.

 

She was despised and hated by millions across the country.  Any ceremony should respect that undisputed fact, and not seek to antagonise the people whose lives she harmed.  As it is, we have a transparent attempt to rewrite history and also to exclude dissent, by creating a state event without precedent and seeking to silence criticism by saying that to object is to disrespect the cultural values we share in common.  The disrespect comes from planning this grotesque celebration of a vicious and hateful friend and supporter of mass murderers and tyrants.  Objecting to that is not only people's right, it's the right thing to do.

Edited April 14, 2013 by peterms

[drat01]

 

 

So putting politics aside, do you think that protesting at a ceremony to lay someone to rest is acceptable?  Clearly some posters on here do but I'd be interested in hearing a straight answer from you on that point, please.

 

But to ram it down the throats of all the millions she did down in this way, making out she's some sort of hero and we should all mourn her, is both ludicrous and more to the point deeply offensive.  I have no problem at all with people demonstrating against this part of it.

 

Please don't shoot me.

 

As others have rightly contributed regarding "Ding Dong the witch is dead", no one is being forced to watch, no one is being forced to participate, so if you don't like it, don't participate in it. Let's not pretend that the anti-Thatcher view is the only one in the country. In a post I made earlier in the thread (according to the Guardian) more people think she was good for the country than bad. So, respecting the view of the majority what is the harm in spending the same on a good send off for a politically giant figure as it has cost the country to house that barsteward  Abu Qatada?

 

So now your "justification" for the costs and the disruption is because of Abu? Are you serious?

[villaajax]

If the Tories and their backers are so keen to go ahead with state funeral, why can't they pay for it with the tax cut they've given themselves? Or better yet, get that gun running son of hers to put his hand in his pocket.

[PauloBarnesi]

 

 

It's a statement of the views of the country.  

 

 What is?

 

No one can say with any certainty they know the views of the country, and both sides should stop the assumption they are.