TRO Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 ... On a day where Darren Bent is now being linked with a move from Villa Park, I ask myself .... What has happened to Lerner's ambition and even more importantly, what has happened to his millions??? ....where did the Milner money go? I think you will find that we have spunked his money on overpriced junk in the main...players that would struggle to pass through cones or trap a bag of cement.... we have bought one or two decent players and sold them to balance the books from the junk we have bought. I think he has been spooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yep, for evry gem MON bought, there were 3 or 4 expensive failures He will do the same at Sunderland, just wait & see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yep, for evry gem MON bought, there were 3 or 4 expensive failures He will do the same at Sunderland, just wait & seeSpud face had made a good start at doing that already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 where did the Milner money go? Randy Lerner has a net spend of just over £50m in his reign at the Villa honestly? who do you think has been paying the wages? net spend at villa for lerner? you need to add up all the transfer fees and all the wages, then take away the club income to find that out since lerner took over though, the spending on the playing staff alone hasn't been too far shy of £500m. now obviously, the club makes a few bob, but it runs at a loss all the same. where's the milner money? it paid for wages for terrible signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Yep, for evry gem MON bought, there were 3 or 4 expensive failures he signed 26 players at villa 6 of them left for a fee 3 of the players who left for a fee left for a profit 3 of the players who left for a fee left for a loss 11 of them left on free transfers 4 of them are out of contract in summer i think the gem to turd ratio is lower than you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 30, 2011 Author Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think those figures support my point nicely. MON was a liability with the cheque book Curtis Davies nearly £9 million !! Marlon Harewood £4.5 million (imagine West Ham's delight !) Nicky Shorey £6m Steve Sidwell £5.5m Carlos Cuellar £8.5m Stephen Warnock £8m Heskey £3.5m James Collins £6m & the rest but there alone is the best part of £50M in fees alone wasted, add in their wages and you're close to a £100M WASTED !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrums Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 LERNER OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted December 31, 2011 Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2011 I think those figures support my point nicely. MON was a liability with the cheque book Curtis Davies nearly £9 million !! Marlon Harewood £4.5 million (imagine West Ham's delight !) Nicky Shorey £6m Steve Sidwell £5.5m Carlos Cuellar £8.5m Stephen Warnock £8m Heskey £3.5m James Collins £6m & the rest but there alone is the best part of £50M in fees alone wasted, add in their wages and you're close to a £100M WASTED !!!! Not much wrong with most of those fees paid considering the time it happened and the players relative ages, experience and the time left on their previous contracts at the time, there's a couple over the odds but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holtelower Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can I just ask a small question here..... If Steve Warnock, Emile Heskey, James Collins and Carlos Cueller were such "turd of a buys" from Martin O'Neill. why two years down the line , and having had Kevin McDonald, Gerard Houllier , Gary McAllister and Alex McLeish manage them since. Then, if they are such turds - WHY ARE THEY STILL IN THE TEAM !!!!. Especially, I must add when they have competition for their places that have been bought since he left. (I mean, in good old Ivanhoe;s case, he is being played in midfield when we have spent 5.5 million on Makoun, whatever you wanna call it on Stephen Ireland, and AND HE IS STILL BEING PLAYED !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 They can't shift them I guess.. Cuellar will probably leave though unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Yep, can't shift them and nobody has the balls to play the kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Can I just ask a small question here..... If Steve Warnock, Emile Heskey, James Collins and Carlos Cueller were such "turd of a buys" from Martin O'Neill. why two years down the line , and having had Kevin McDonald, Gerard Houllier , Gary McAllister and Alex McLeish manage them since. Then, if they are such turds - WHY ARE THEY STILL IN THE TEAM !!!!. Especially, I must add when they have competition for their places that have been bought since he left. (I mean, in good old Ivanhoe;s case, he is being played in midfield when we have spent 5.5 million on Makoun, whatever you wanna call it on Stephen Ireland, and AND HE IS STILL BEING PLAYED !!!!! Well when you consider that Heskey is on £60k per week (and the others most likely around the £40k mark), it makes it very hard to just move players on. Makoun is an odd one, as it seems he was loaned out in order to bring in Jenas, which hasn't proved to be he best of decisions, but was understandable at the time, and proves that McLeish had at leat identified our weakness in midfield. This isn't Football Manager, to sell a player you need the player to want o leave and for the buying club to be able to afford not just o buy him, but to pay him. We're not the only club tightening the purse strings, so such high salaries make selling players much harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makouns_grin Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 LERNER OUT Venkeys in! Jesus wept is this thread still going, page after page of basically just abuse towards the current owner? If he is really that bad why are we not on par with actual shit owners, like err the venkeys? Villa fans with no sense of perspective shocker! Grass IS always greener, get rid uh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 LERNER OUT Venkeys in! Jesus wept is this thread still going, page after page of basically just abuse towards the current owner? If he is really that bad why are we not on par with actual shit owners, like err the venkeys? Villa fans with no sense of perspective shocker! Grass IS always greener, get rid uh? Yes correct, every owner other than Lerner is Venkeys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 This video hurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykeyb Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Why do we have such trouble shifting players out. They are good enough (mostly). Is it wages, or is it that the board / manager arent good enough to shift them out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Man City have the same problem with better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Why do we have such trouble shifting players out. They are good enough (mostly). Is it wages, or is it that the board / manager arent good enough to shift them out we cant sell them because they're on double the wages they should be on based on their quality and they know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_avfc Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 An extract from an interesting article on Randy and Villa in Daily Mail 31st Dec : 'The new year will herald the 30th anniversary of the club's European Cup triumph over Bayern Munich. Until six years ago, it was a moment that few of a claret and blue persuasion felt would ever be repeated. Until, that is, American billionaire Randy Lerner announced his arrival into English football at Aston Villa with all the razzmatazz associated with a money man from across the pond. Splashing the cash showed the former lawyer meant business. Lerner, once a regular, has been seen just twice at Villa Park all season. The billionaire pays the club's dues by extending his equity and the use of loan notes in a 50-50 split. He is now a divorced father of four and has to spend at least six months in Ohio, Cleveland, for personal reasons. Lerner watches live television feeds of Villa's matches wherever he is in the world. A highly placed member of Villa's staff said this week : ‘We are going to adopt a low-risk strategy but it will be one of steady and continual growth. We are in a transitional period but Aston Villa will be better and stronger for it. Success may not be just around the corner but we are building towards it.’' What are your opinions on this article ? Please read the posting guidelines about linking to other sites Mods : Hope I posted according to guidelines. Link removed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Some good lines there, a lot of truth including the Hodgson comments (jeesh, I remember the Hodgson report...) things are very similar to back then. Also the comment about Mcleish, its not about where he came from but more about the terrible anti-football. Good article, a lot of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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