The Randy Lerner thread

[Mart-L7]

I don't understand this bloke he does something like this that makes most villa fans proud but on the flip side is tighter than a ducks arse with Lambert

[HeyAnty]

You cannot blame lerner for the tactics, motivation and training of players. Ok we haven't spent the money, but there's better players out there for the money we have spent. We have seen this team beat Man City and Arsenal with good passing football. You should be asking Lambert where that's gone.....?

You can blame him for the standard of player we sign these days though, and they're Championship standard players by the way.

He has assembled the poorest squad of players I've seen since we were relegated back in '87. They're really not fit to wear our famous claret and blue. The way we bow down to practically every team we play these days is quite humiliating for a club as grand as ours. The sooner he sells up the better.

He done the exact same with the browns. I must see if i can find an article regards his tenure there

[markavfc40]

 

 

You cannot blame lerner for the tactics, motivation and training of players. Ok we haven't spent the money, but there's better players out there for the money we have spent. We have seen this team beat Man City and Arsenal with good passing football. You should be asking Lambert where that's gone.....?

You can blame him for the standard of player we sign these days though, and they're Championship standard players by the way.

He has assembled the poorest squad of players I've seen since we were relegated back in '87. They're really not fit to wear our famous claret and blue. The way we bow down to practically every team we play these days is quite humiliating for a club as grand as ours. The sooner he sells up the better.

 

He done the exact same with the browns. I must see if i can find an article regards his tenure there

 

 

 You don't need to dig it out mate. The vast majority of us know he has previous for f ing up football clubs, all be it, on the other side of the Atlantic.

[HeyAnty]

You cannot blame lerner for the tactics, motivation and training of players. Ok we haven't spent the money, but there's better players out there for the money we have spent. We have seen this team beat Man City and Arsenal with good passing football. You should be asking Lambert where that's gone.....?

You can blame him for the standard of player we sign these days though, and they're Championship standard players by the way.

He has assembled the poorest squad of players I've seen since we were relegated back in '87. They're really not fit to wear our famous claret and blue. The way we bow down to practically every team we play these days is quite humiliating for a club as grand as ours. The sooner he sells up the better.

He done the exact same with the browns. I must see if i can find an article regards his tenure there

Didnt take long. http://www.cleveland.com/livingston/index.ssf/2012/08/randy_lerners_reign_over_the_c.html

[Robbie09]

Lerner is an incredibly private person so this may be one of many such donations he has made.

Edited December 14, 2013 by Robbie09

[GENTLEMAN]

Which is fair enough but surely you have to accept that more money is coming into the game at the moment so theres bound to be an increase. 

 

I accept there is additional income coming into the Premiership but it is unrelated to commercial income. Most of the new money is coming from broadcasting rights which is separate from the commercial deals. A commercial deal requires people operating the club need to have skill and business knowledge to secure a partner that is willing to pay the best amount. We have seen an increase in the commercial income which is testament to the talent of those operating the club. The club under Lerner is marketed a lot better than it ever has been.

 

But you've said you're happy with our commercial income because it bodes well for the future. But how can you justify that if you don't compare it to the rest of the league? We could improve massivly on what we earned during dougs time but if 19 other teams are doing better would it still bode well for the future? At the end of 11/12 sunderland had earned more from commercial deals than us and newly promoted norwich had earned the same. Hardly the stuff thats going to make us a force in the future.

 

 

And i'm just saying its not really anything praise worthy imo. Its not putting us ahead of our competition which at the end of the day is what professional sport is all about and its made us no stronger against other teams than when doug was here. The premier league is not an individual event in which we just compete with our past.

 

​I am happy with the increase in our commercial income because it indicates the board are securing good deals for the club (see above). If we truly want to be sustainable and prosperous in the future we need to maximise all income streams, it is obvious. To suggest it does not matter when we are aiming to be self-sufficient is ludicrous. 

 

I have not compared us with other clubs, or the rest of the league, because there is too many factors to consider. And it does not have much influence on where any club finishes in the league, it is not a direct competitive advantage. For example, Tottenham had the lowest commercial income out of the all teams you have mentioned and they finished fourth that year, it has no direct bearing on the pitch or the league table and I never claimed it to be. 

 

And like i said compared to other teams in the league it really isn't anything special or really worth shouting about.

 

...And it is not something you can criticise RL or PF for. It is a positive aspect of Lerner's reign.

 

So? When heskey was upfront no one said you just need to recognise the manager wants him to play. No one said we just need to recognise the owner wants mcleish as manager. 

 

 

You can question decisions Lerner has made, and the consequences of those decisions, in the pursuit of sustainability. Of course you can. But the overall concept of sustainability is not incorrect though? If yes, how would you have handled the situation differently? What plan would you have had for the future? I would be interested to know.

Edited December 14, 2013 by GENTLEMAN

[Big_John_10]

I accept there is additional income coming into the Premiership but it is unrelated to commercial income. Most of the new money is coming from broadcasting rights which is separate from the commercial deals. A commercial deal requires people operating the club need to have skill and business knowledge to secure a partner that is willing to pay the best amount. We have seen an increase in the commercial income which is testament to the talent of those operating the club.

But just as tv companies are prepared to pay more then the same is going to be said about sponsers and other commercial deals. The more popular the premiership becomes the more money clubs can earn from commercail revenues.

If we truly want to be sustainable and prosperous in the future we need to maximise all income streams, it is obvious. To suggest it does not matter when we are aiming to be self-sufficient is ludicrous.

I didn't say it didn't matter i'm saying that what we've done has been nothing to shout about or has put us in a strong postion compared to other teams. This is also the group that made negative comments about the gambling industry sponsoring our shirt and then ended up running back to the industry the last two years.

I have not compared us with other clubs, or the rest of the league, because there is too many factors to consider.

But like i said its what we do compared to the rest of the league that matters. It wouldn't matter one bit that we were making more money than when doug was in charge if all other teams were making more would it?

And it does not have much influence on where any club finishes in the league, it is not a direct competitive advantage

Then why does it bode well for the future if it has little effect on the team?

...And it is not something you can criticise RL or PF for. It is a positive aspect of Lerner's reign.

I'd say the fact sunderland made more than us, a team like norwich equalled what we made and teams like fulham and stoke were only a couple of million off us would suggest its not much of a positive at all.

But the overall concept of sustainability is not incorrect though?

No one wants the club to be in large amounts of debt but also surviving on the cheap is unacceptable. This summer will go a long way in showing us what the near future will be like under Lerner. Also i'd ask if Lerner isn't providing money in the future then why would anyone want him as the owner? What is Lerner actually bringing to the table if you take away his wealth?

[TRO]

Bet Paul Lambert is happy is working for Randy, as opposed to Jeremy Peace.

[Kiwivillan]

 

 

You can question decisions Lerner has made, and the consequences of those decisions, in the pursuit of sustainability. Of course you can. But the overall concept of sustainability is not incorrect though? If yes, how would you have handled the situation differently? What plan would you have had for the future? I would be interested to know.

 

 

I imagine they would turn on their PC and buy the best players and if it ever goes tits-up just start a new game from scratch. That, or sell to oil-rich Middle Eastern.

[GENTLEMAN]

But just as tv companies are prepared to pay more then the same is going to be said about sponsers and other commercial deals. The more popular the premiership becomes the more money clubs can earn from commercail revenues. 

 

​Not necessarily as the money is not related to an outside partner. We have also seen and experienced a economic downturn over the last few years, I imagine this would not have helped the club find suitable partner(s). The club has posted growth in this department so it is hard to condemn Lerner or Faulkner regarding the commercial side of the club. 

 

I didn't say it didn't matter i'm saying that what we've done has been nothing to shout about or has put us in a strong postion compared to other teams. This is also the group that made negative comments about the gambling industry sponsoring our shirt and then ended up running back to the industry the last two years.

 

I have not started this subject randomly to praise Randy Lerner. I originally replied to another poster who was critical of the commercial activity at the club and I disputed that claim with some evidence and general observations. It is an unfair criticism IMO.

 

These people appointed Alex McLeish, so they have made more than one baffling decision at the club. I am not here to stand-by everything they have said or done since they have taken over the club. Nor I am going to join in with the berating of the Randy Lerner or indulging in false rumours created about the guy. The fabrication of rumours are the worst though. That is absolutely disgusting behaviour.

 

But like i said its what we do compared to the rest of the league that matters. It wouldn't matter one bit that we were making more money than when doug was in charge if all other teams were making more would it?

 

I'd say the fact sunderland made more than us, a team like norwich equalled what we made and teams like fulham and stoke were only a couple of million off us would suggest its not much of a positive at all.

 

 

There is too many factors to consider (or ignore) when comparing to the rest of the league and it is easier to rubbish the efforts of the club. I had hoped the Tottenham analogue would have cancelled out this argument but that has been ignored. When compared with other facets at the club, it is a positive aspect concerning the Lerner regime.

 

I have already made my thoughts known regarding the comparison with the rest of the league, I have nothing more to say about it. We have to agree to disagree regarding this matter I am afraid. I have no energy to proceed regarding this subject.

 

Then why does it bode well for the future if it has little effect on the team?

 

The club is aiming to become self-sufficient and is attempting to boost our income without a benefactor. An increased income will, in theory, allow us to attract and sustain a better quality of player. The club has shown competency in the commercial department so it does bode well for the future. 

 

I consider the manager having the biggest influence on the team not the board. Unfortunately Lerner has previously made mistakes with managerial appointments, and that has ultimately halted our progress on the field. If Lambert can continue to improve the team then we will progress up the league, it will take time and financial support though.

 

No one wants the club to be in large amounts of debt but also surviving on the cheap is unacceptable.

 

I would love the club to be sponsored by ACORNS. I would love Randy pumping his own cash to subsidise another crack at Champions League Football. In reality, it is not possible. I would say making the club sustainable is a good business decision.  

 

This summer will go a long way in showing us what the near future will be like under Lerner. Also i'd ask if Lerner isn't providing money in the future then why would anyone want him as the owner? 

 

I agree. You would hope Lerner will allow more investment for transfers once the club's finances have been stabilised. 

Edited December 16, 2013 by GENTLEMAN

[Dodgyknees]

 

 

 

You can question decisions Lerner has made, and the consequences of those decisions, in the pursuit of sustainability. Of course you can. But the overall concept of sustainability is not incorrect though? If yes, how would you have handled the situation differently? What plan would you have had for the future? I would be interested to know.

 

 

I imagine they would turn on their PC and buy the best players and if it ever goes tits-up just start a new game from scratch. That, or sell to oil-rich Middle Eastern.

 

 

Sounds like Lerner's original plan!

[Villarocker]

Hope you've found your chequebook in time for January, Randy. You're definitely going to need it!

[Dodgyknees]

Hope you've found your chequebook in time for January, Randy. You're definitely going to need it!

No chance.

[Dr_Pangloss]

He has overseen a pretty dramatic restructuring hasn't he, quite an achievement that only the pseudo-accountants on here could be pleased about.

[PieFacE]

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of going to Villa Park? It's been shite for years now. How many games have we won at home since MON left?

 

It's no wonder Randy doesn't go to the games anymore, it's dull as ****. 

[Big_John_10]

I was sitting there after the 3rd and just thought how poor its been for 3 and a half years and how depressing its been to watch some of the average try hards we have to watch.

[Cliffy Biro]

Im sure he was watching on tv as he apparently does with everyone of our games, my arse i bet hes watched us 2-3 times max this season. Saying that i wouldnt fly over from america to watch that shit either.

[Dodgyknees]

I'd be happy to be part of a Lerner out group if others want to take action.

[HeyAnty]

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of going to Villa Park? It's been shite for years now. How many games have we won at home since MON left?

It's no wonder Randy doesn't go to the games anymore, it's dull as ****.

Given the majority of fans left before the end today i would hazard a guess and say yes

[PieFacE]

Well I left at 82 minutes I think. Just really didnt want to be there.

Since McLeish become the manager we've lost 22 at home and won 11. It's no wonder people dont turn up to Villa Park anymore.